Message from @Joe_Limon
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```Christians and Jews circumise boys as well.```
a) that doesn't make it better
b) its worse for Females than for Boys as the boys still can enjoy fucking afterwards, the females can not
But the bottom.line is that it's not a federal issue.
There is a legitimate affliction, where the cure is penis circumcision.
My translation to ebglish: narrowation of foreskin [sic]
All the judge said is that it was not a federal issue.
I thought you all were for smaller, more limited government
This is exactly what that means
If it's not given to the Feds, it belongs with the states or the people
The Congress tried to justify thier law under interstate commerce which is ludicrous.
Not everyone here is
It's time we stopped pissing on the 10th Amendment by saying quite literally everything we do is interstate commerce
I am though
I'm just trying to figure out what legal loophole allows any form of circumcision at all, male or female.
Depends on the Issue
Is there a specific law saying you can cut off these bits but not those bits, etc.
It is a medical procedure that isn't reversible, so normally you can only do neccessary procedures.
I have no idea, really, Atkins. Again, I elected not to circumcised our son despite it being traditional in our family.
so the only thing left is religious freedom
Laws typically proscribe, not allow.
So, there would need to be a law banning, I don't know, medically unnecessary mutilation.
Which, among circumcision, would also stop most piercings.
My sons are not circumcized. The youngest one had an issue where his foreskin was too tight and painful to pull back/clean around. Surgery was an option that thankfully didn't need to happen as they now have ointments that help
I'm assuming there must be some law which proscribes cutting off pieces of your children, and I could understand how there could be an exception for male circumcision. Not that I agree with the practice but I can understand how it could be there due to historical norms. But I really can't believe there is an exception specifically for FGM.
I don't think there is? I believe a parent could have a portion of their child's ear hacked off, for example.
That is murkey water. You would need to write it so children can give blood samples, have their hair cut, teeth removed, nails trimmed, cancerous or infected growths removed etc.
No, I think most of those are pretty clear medical necessities.
The nature of hair and nails as unliving I think would stop it from being mutilation.
Your definition of necessity is different than mine
If you intend to make a permanent alteration to your child's body, it ought to be only under strict medical necessity.
Temporary alteration like haircuts are not that big of a deal.
It isn't medically necessary to remove teeth to avoid crowding and future dental deformities
If your mom gives you a dopey haircut you'll grow out of it.
I would be OK with letting some children choose to have fucked up teeth if it means some children are not forced to have their genitals mutilated.
It isn't medically necessary to do a blood test to find out if you have a nutrient deficiency
Having blood drawn does not permanently alter the body.
It could. What if the vial of blood you pull had a specific antibody that hadn't yet been recorded into the bodies immune system?
You're being silly now. I can appreciate it if you are intending to play devil's advocate, but if you are trying to form an argument as to why FGM should be permitted in the US, then I don't see the point of talking to you. That's not an area where I'm willing to compromise.
How is that silly? That bodily function happens many times a day especially for children.
The idea I want to impose on you is not that we shouldn't have laws on subjects such as these. But rather knee jerk reactions often have unintended side effects.
Yes, I did kind of throw that out as a quick spitball.
I am using the (probably unfounded) assumption that professional lawmakers would make a better law.
Many states have already passed laws so it's definitely possible.