Message from @Joe_Limon

Discord ID: 514907426131148801


2018-11-21 20:16:28 UTC  

```Christians and Jews circumise boys as well.```
a) that doesn't make it better
b) its worse for Females than for Boys as the boys still can enjoy fucking afterwards, the females can not

2018-11-21 20:16:29 UTC  

But the bottom.line is that it's not a federal issue.

2018-11-21 20:16:33 UTC  

There is a legitimate affliction, where the cure is penis circumcision.
My translation to ebglish: narrowation of foreskin [sic]

2018-11-21 20:17:00 UTC  

All the judge said is that it was not a federal issue.

2018-11-21 20:17:15 UTC  

I thought you all were for smaller, more limited government

2018-11-21 20:17:24 UTC  

This is exactly what that means

2018-11-21 20:17:48 UTC  

If it's not given to the Feds, it belongs with the states or the people

2018-11-21 20:18:16 UTC  

The Congress tried to justify thier law under interstate commerce which is ludicrous.

2018-11-21 20:18:44 UTC  

Not everyone here is

2018-11-21 20:18:49 UTC  

It's time we stopped pissing on the 10th Amendment by saying quite literally everything we do is interstate commerce

2018-11-21 20:18:55 UTC  

I am though

2018-11-21 20:20:08 UTC  

I'm just trying to figure out what legal loophole allows any form of circumcision at all, male or female.

2018-11-21 20:20:08 UTC  

Depends on the Issue

2018-11-21 20:20:38 UTC  

Is there a specific law saying you can cut off these bits but not those bits, etc.

2018-11-21 20:20:41 UTC  

It is a medical procedure that isn't reversible, so normally you can only do neccessary procedures.

2018-11-21 20:21:15 UTC  

I have no idea, really, Atkins. Again, I elected not to circumcised our son despite it being traditional in our family.

2018-11-21 20:21:21 UTC  

so the only thing left is religious freedom

2018-11-21 20:54:34 UTC  

Laws typically proscribe, not allow.

2018-11-21 20:55:13 UTC  

So, there would need to be a law banning, I don't know, medically unnecessary mutilation.

2018-11-21 20:55:45 UTC  

Which, among circumcision, would also stop most piercings.

2018-11-21 20:58:16 UTC  

My sons are not circumcized. The youngest one had an issue where his foreskin was too tight and painful to pull back/clean around. Surgery was an option that thankfully didn't need to happen as they now have ointments that help

2018-11-21 21:00:19 UTC  

I'm assuming there must be some law which proscribes cutting off pieces of your children, and I could understand how there could be an exception for male circumcision. Not that I agree with the practice but I can understand how it could be there due to historical norms. But I really can't believe there is an exception specifically for FGM.

2018-11-21 21:01:11 UTC  

I don't think there is? I believe a parent could have a portion of their child's ear hacked off, for example.

2018-11-21 21:02:14 UTC  

That is murkey water. You would need to write it so children can give blood samples, have their hair cut, teeth removed, nails trimmed, cancerous or infected growths removed etc.

2018-11-21 21:03:02 UTC  

No, I think most of those are pretty clear medical necessities.

2018-11-21 21:03:14 UTC  

The nature of hair and nails as unliving I think would stop it from being mutilation.

2018-11-21 21:03:28 UTC  

Your definition of necessity is different than mine

2018-11-21 21:03:36 UTC  

If you intend to make a permanent alteration to your child's body, it ought to be only under strict medical necessity.

2018-11-21 21:04:08 UTC  

Temporary alteration like haircuts are not that big of a deal.

2018-11-21 21:04:18 UTC  

It isn't medically necessary to remove teeth to avoid crowding and future dental deformities

2018-11-21 21:04:21 UTC  

If your mom gives you a dopey haircut you'll grow out of it.

2018-11-21 21:05:41 UTC  

I would be OK with letting some children choose to have fucked up teeth if it means some children are not forced to have their genitals mutilated.

2018-11-21 21:05:44 UTC  

It isn't medically necessary to do a blood test to find out if you have a nutrient deficiency

2018-11-21 21:06:39 UTC  

Having blood drawn does not permanently alter the body.

2018-11-21 21:07:25 UTC  

It could. What if the vial of blood you pull had a specific antibody that hadn't yet been recorded into the bodies immune system?

2018-11-21 21:08:44 UTC  

You're being silly now. I can appreciate it if you are intending to play devil's advocate, but if you are trying to form an argument as to why FGM should be permitted in the US, then I don't see the point of talking to you. That's not an area where I'm willing to compromise.

2018-11-21 21:09:37 UTC  

How is that silly? That bodily function happens many times a day especially for children.

2018-11-21 21:11:19 UTC  

The idea I want to impose on you is not that we shouldn't have laws on subjects such as these. But rather knee jerk reactions often have unintended side effects.

2018-11-21 21:12:18 UTC  

Yes, I did kind of throw that out as a quick spitball.

2018-11-21 21:12:35 UTC  

I am using the (probably unfounded) assumption that professional lawmakers would make a better law.

2018-11-21 21:13:14 UTC  

Many states have already passed laws so it's definitely possible.