you assume it needs to be replaced

if i remove the atomic bomb, do i need to replace it?

I'm not so sure it's that easy. People tend to find disagreement and would fracture immediately over specifics like violence.

The goal in essence is to make free speech an unshakable principal in social media, no matter what the intermidiating costs

I have a good friend who's also a free speech absolutist. But we're not too hot on porn.

Preserving social media in its current form, government intervention or no, preserves the social dysfunction that comes with it

thats whty the fracturing takes place in the critical moment

I think that's a good goal, but it's also kinda vague.

cause its not discussed during the foundation and later on you discover you have fundamental differences

You're rallying around a malfunctioning process

The key thing is to form concrete actions and gains.

you cant form them without an end goal, because everyone is going to delimit what they are willing to do for the end goal

say someone asks fro violence or mobbing tactics, many will disagree

@Beemann You *still* haven't proposed anything. We get in this fight every time we talk. You talk a good game of how social media is bad (no real disagreement) but there's millions of people who want it and it's too useful to just die.

and the whole movement will get shaken

Right. That's a key thing.

That's why the left has "diversity of tactics"

its not "useful", its addictive.

But more importantly, there's specific actions they want.

Like, almost the entire left wants to see McInnes go away.

so stablishing clear goals and the line which will not be crossed is essential

twitter has proven to be more of a liability to any company than a help.

So any action to apply pressure to the social media companies is good.

including mass flaggings

its almost better for any company to flat out bar any employee from having social media if that employee can be tracked back to the company

contancting advertisers

mobbing

etc?

@Grenade123 Disagree strongly. If it were, you'd see fewer companies on it and more companies banning their employees from using it.

we need to deine the line

Agreed.

how do you ban social media without banning all forms of public communication on the internet? how is social media different from the forums and BBS of old?

And some lines should only be crossed as a last resort.

Forums had one head

as soon as the head is comprimised the forum falls

look at NEogaf

as soon as the owner got outed

Neogaf died

@pratel and how has that been working out for companies? forced to bend to the mob. How many customers does twitter really rake in who are not already fans?

i can;t think of a single company twitter i use for more than just their news letter. which just means i go to twitter and have to search up their tags rather than go their website

See, this is what I mean. Either they don't see it that way, you're wrong (there's a strong messaging and brand loyalty element) or you're just making excuses.