Message from @boag
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exactly
That's great @Beemann I'm basically in academia. I *live* in their territory
Grenade and I have both advocated specific action, it just wasnt the action you wanted
No you guys adovcated "killing social media" and not having any clue how to replace it.
"I live in their territory"
"No I do"
"Stupid libertarians won't stop arguing"
Methinks the lady doth protest too much
so if the mission statment is "Free Speech on Social media no matter how offensive it is" it would define the end goal and prevent any fracturing in the future
you assume it needs to be replaced
if i remove the atomic bomb, do i need to replace it?
I'm not so sure it's that easy. People tend to find disagreement and would fracture immediately over specifics like violence.
The goal in essence is to make free speech an unshakable principal in social media, no matter what the intermidiating costs
I have a good friend who's also a free speech absolutist. But we're not too hot on porn.
Preserving social media in its current form, government intervention or no, preserves the social dysfunction that comes with it
thats whty the fracturing takes place in the critical moment
I think that's a good goal, but it's also kinda vague.
cause its not discussed during the foundation and later on you discover you have fundamental differences
You're rallying around a malfunctioning process
The key thing is to form concrete actions and gains.
you cant form them without an end goal, because everyone is going to delimit what they are willing to do for the end goal
say someone asks fro violence or mobbing tactics, many will disagree
@Beemann You *still* haven't proposed anything. We get in this fight every time we talk. You talk a good game of how social media is bad (no real disagreement) but there's millions of people who want it and it's too useful to just die.
Right. That's a key thing.
That's why the left has "diversity of tactics"
its not "useful", its addictive.
But more importantly, there's specific actions they want.
Like, almost the entire left wants to see McInnes go away.
so stablishing clear goals and the line which will not be crossed is essential
twitter has proven to be more of a liability to any company than a help.
So any action to apply pressure to the social media companies is good.
including mass flaggings
its almost better for any company to flat out bar any employee from having social media if that employee can be tracked back to the company
contancting advertisers
mobbing
etc?
@Grenade123 Disagree strongly. If it were, you'd see fewer companies on it and more companies banning their employees from using it.
we need to deine the line
Agreed.
how do you ban social media without banning all forms of public communication on the internet? how is social media different from the forums and BBS of old?
And some lines should only be crossed as a last resort.
Forums had one head
as soon as the head is comprimised the forum falls