not being murdered by the people who surround them?

and Hummus

don't forget the Hummus

3rd position would assume Israel is anti capitalist which it isn't.

no position is inherently against another position, israel is not anti-capitalist, but they dont actually care about capitalist ideology, more important to israel than your adherence to an economic system is your adherence to a theological system. israels goal is not simply to exist, but to reclaim there homeland

Israel uses a capitalist system so they don't have no position on the issue.

It's definately not socialist or communist.

socialist and communist is 2nd position

so yes you would be correct they arnt socialist or communist

3rd position is against capitalism and communisim but is not against socialism.

israel is certainly more socialist than the united states at any rate, but id more label them as 3rd position based on what is important to them. they have a very similar ideology to an early 20th century europe than they do modern europe or united states.

Yes it has more social programs than the US. So do most western countries. I'm pretty sure most people don't call them third positionist.

It's still very far from socialism.

so was germany, yet we have no trouble calling them 3rd position

So besides economics why would you call them third position?

im pretty sure i was calling them 3rd position based on more than economics to begin with, specifically more so than economics because i think that's actually something that matters to a 3rd position compared to the other positions.

israel is a state that is founded on an ideological goal and hasent diverted from that toward economics compared to something like the united states. matters more to israel is what you think rather than specific elements of the conversation about what you think in terms of different catagorys of ideology. which seems like a fickle way of describing things but actually portrays a vastly different perspective that they have compared to much of the world. israel isint confused about what its doing, its a country who's goal is to be israel rather than to be the most powerful country in the world (though it believes that being israel makes it powerful). its a theocracy at its heart regardless of what system of election and government it uses, and as a theocracy it has certain ambitions that sets it on a slightly different course than an economically focused country. another american comparison, america believes it should be the best country in the world because they have earned it, israel thinks it should be the best country in the world because it is israel.

so the way america trys to prove how great it is, is through earning its position based on a criteria, that criteria so far has been economical and military because we seem to think those 2 things matter based on our history. many other western countrys see things a similar way but just arnt doing as well as we are. for israel though the best way to be the best country is to be more israel, which also means to be less not israel

Israel has a mostly secular government so while the basis of its existence is theocratical it's not governed that way.

how do you define it being secular exactly? if you are trusting what they are telling you it is i shouldnt need to point out how that is a bad way of basing your expectations. i prefer to look at their actions, i dont think israels actions are that of a secular nation.

Statist = not secular.

There is no such thing as society.

If it was a theocracy then only the religious parties would be in power, everyone would have to follow the bible, all stores wouldn't be allowed to be open on the sabbath, pork would be outlawed, homosexuality outlawed, etc.

Acording to the religious groups Israel isn't even allowed to exist before the messiah comes.

thats a bias assumption based on a stereotype you have of what people who arnt secular would do in a position

It's not because that is what they advocate for. The only reason some of their demands are met is so the right wing government can keep the majority.

Secularism is a spook.

Although currently the government is breaking up because the right doesn't want to follow the religious demands for army exemption.

Separation of church and state is a contradiction.

Milton Friedman is left of Marx.

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The most efficient way to exploit workers by extrating the surplus value of their labour is to have a free market in everything but money.

Milton Friedman is the worst kind of socialist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysELvonpxdQ Styx shouts out Tim

Regressive revisionism pisses me off

lol, that's the third time that video has been linked today

I wish this were a joke

Can I get an F in the chat for western culture?

*Violent history major rage* F

Does this mean vox is a bunch of holocaust deniers?

*Racks shotgun* I certainly hope not.