Message from @Little Boots

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2018-09-03 05:38:19 UTC  

So it is legally correct

2018-09-03 05:38:32 UTC  

Just not morally correct to you two

2018-09-03 05:38:42 UTC  

After finding the most backwards deduction reason possible and using an unhealthy amount of mental gymnastics, which only make Lincoln look worse.

2018-09-03 05:38:47 UTC  

Which means fuck all in the long run

2018-09-03 05:39:06 UTC  

You make southerners look worse

2018-09-03 05:39:20 UTC  

Butthirt over 150 year old shit

2018-09-03 05:39:27 UTC  

That was ruled lawful

2018-09-03 05:39:31 UTC  

You seem to be the only one talking morals

2018-09-03 05:39:32 UTC  

Lincoln was a Constitutional Lawyer, he should probably know the Constitution well enough to know where is powers end and where Congress’s powers begin.

2018-09-03 05:39:51 UTC  

Now it is insisted that Congress, and not the Executive, is vested with this power. But the Constitution itself, is silent as to which, or who, is to exercise the power; and as the provision was plainly made for a dangerous emergency, it cannot be believed the framers of the instrument intended, that, in every case, the danger should run its course, until Congress could be called together; the very assembling of which might be prevented ... by the rebellion. No more extended argument is now offered, as an opinion ... will probably be presented by the Attorney General. Whether there shall be any legislation upon the subject, and if any, what, is submitted entirely to the better judgment of Congress.

2018-09-03 05:40:04 UTC  

Lincolns words

2018-09-03 05:40:07 UTC  

He knew

2018-09-03 05:40:08 UTC  

You cite Congress' reaction. We've cited the fucking Constitution.

2018-09-03 05:40:12 UTC  

Ehzek, it’s under Article I.

2018-09-03 05:40:24 UTC  

Article I is Congress’s powers and limitations.

2018-09-03 05:40:35 UTC  

It was a blind spot in the constitution

2018-09-03 05:40:44 UTC  

The writ of Habeus Corpus and it’s suspension are Congressional powers.

2018-09-03 05:40:46 UTC  

That congress and abe fixed

2018-09-03 05:40:56 UTC  

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

2018-09-03 05:40:59 UTC  

No, that’s a lie.

2018-09-03 05:41:11 UTC  

That’s sophistry if I ever saw it.

2018-09-03 05:41:52 UTC  

Where does it say "the President alone can take away my WoHC on a statewide level"

2018-09-03 05:41:54 UTC  

Lincoln made a massive oof.

2018-09-03 05:43:08 UTC  

It doesnt

2018-09-03 05:43:23 UTC  

Case closed.

2018-09-03 05:43:24 UTC  

It was argued by Lincoln that it was for emergencies

2018-09-03 05:43:43 UTC  

That doesn't mean he gets that sudden power

2018-09-03 05:43:46 UTC  

For Congress, yes, not the President.

2018-09-03 05:43:46 UTC  

And since it was an emergency and congress couldn't do it he did it

2018-09-03 05:44:14 UTC  

It’s implied, within the constitution, to be an Legislative Power, not an executive one.

2018-09-03 05:44:14 UTC  

And congress clapped

2018-09-03 05:44:27 UTC  

Congress could do it, that's why his action was unconstitutional in the first place

2018-09-03 05:44:34 UTC  

It was decided that when congress cant president can

2018-09-03 05:44:44 UTC  

Only Congress could do it.

2018-09-03 05:45:10 UTC  

Apparently not

2018-09-03 05:45:21 UTC  

And how does the President magically have this power when it is clearly under the list of Congressional powers?

2018-09-03 05:45:22 UTC  

Otherwise we wouldnt have this conversation

2018-09-03 05:45:50 UTC  

Because the constitution is a living breathing document that can be changed?

2018-09-03 05:46:03 UTC  

No, it isn’t.

2018-09-03 05:46:13 UTC  

Explain amendments

2018-09-03 05:46:18 UTC  

Ill wait