Message from @Ehzek

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2018-09-03 05:34:51 UTC  

He does.

2018-09-03 05:34:57 UTC  

They okayed his emergency use of the power

2018-09-03 05:35:10 UTC  

Then gave it to him

2018-09-03 05:35:31 UTC  

After he defied them and did it unconstitutionally

2018-09-03 05:35:43 UTC  

After he had used it Unconstitutionally, sure. Still doesn’t change the fact he used powers he did not have at the time to arrest people.

2018-09-03 05:35:55 UTC  

Exactly

2018-09-03 05:36:06 UTC  

At the time it was unconstitutional

2018-09-03 05:36:18 UTC  

Yeah, that’s the problem .

2018-09-03 05:36:26 UTC  

It was Unconstitutional.

2018-09-03 05:36:28 UTC  

Then they decided it was in the best interest of the nation

2018-09-03 05:36:38 UTC  

And added it

2018-09-03 05:37:01 UTC  

Which clear up who got to use the power

2018-09-03 05:37:13 UTC  

After the fact, yeah. After he unjustly had thousands of people arrested for supposed treason, violating their 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendment rights.

2018-09-03 05:37:28 UTC  

Court cases normally happen after crimes

2018-09-03 05:37:38 UTC  

That doesn't mean it's a constitutional action, otherwise presidents that followed would still be pulling 180's on Congress to this day

2018-09-03 05:37:47 UTC  

^

2018-09-03 05:37:49 UTC  

In this case they decided it wasnt a crime

2018-09-03 05:37:59 UTC  

That doesn't make it right

2018-09-03 05:38:09 UTC  

But thats how law works

2018-09-03 05:38:16 UTC  

It's unconstitutional no matter the reaction.

2018-09-03 05:38:19 UTC  

So it is legally correct

2018-09-03 05:38:32 UTC  

Just not morally correct to you two

2018-09-03 05:38:42 UTC  

After finding the most backwards deduction reason possible and using an unhealthy amount of mental gymnastics, which only make Lincoln look worse.

2018-09-03 05:38:47 UTC  

Which means fuck all in the long run

2018-09-03 05:39:06 UTC  

You make southerners look worse

2018-09-03 05:39:20 UTC  

Butthirt over 150 year old shit

2018-09-03 05:39:27 UTC  

That was ruled lawful

2018-09-03 05:39:31 UTC  

You seem to be the only one talking morals

2018-09-03 05:39:32 UTC  

Lincoln was a Constitutional Lawyer, he should probably know the Constitution well enough to know where is powers end and where Congress’s powers begin.

2018-09-03 05:39:51 UTC  

Now it is insisted that Congress, and not the Executive, is vested with this power. But the Constitution itself, is silent as to which, or who, is to exercise the power; and as the provision was plainly made for a dangerous emergency, it cannot be believed the framers of the instrument intended, that, in every case, the danger should run its course, until Congress could be called together; the very assembling of which might be prevented ... by the rebellion. No more extended argument is now offered, as an opinion ... will probably be presented by the Attorney General. Whether there shall be any legislation upon the subject, and if any, what, is submitted entirely to the better judgment of Congress.

2018-09-03 05:40:04 UTC  

Lincolns words

2018-09-03 05:40:07 UTC  

He knew

2018-09-03 05:40:08 UTC  

You cite Congress' reaction. We've cited the fucking Constitution.

2018-09-03 05:40:12 UTC  

Ehzek, it’s under Article I.

2018-09-03 05:40:24 UTC  

Article I is Congress’s powers and limitations.

2018-09-03 05:40:35 UTC  

It was a blind spot in the constitution

2018-09-03 05:40:44 UTC  

The writ of Habeus Corpus and it’s suspension are Congressional powers.

2018-09-03 05:40:46 UTC  

That congress and abe fixed

2018-09-03 05:40:56 UTC  

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

2018-09-03 05:40:59 UTC  

No, that’s a lie.

2018-09-03 05:41:11 UTC  

That’s sophistry if I ever saw it.