Message from @Ehzek
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He does.
They okayed his emergency use of the power
Then gave it to him
After he defied them and did it unconstitutionally
After he had used it Unconstitutionally, sure. Still doesn’t change the fact he used powers he did not have at the time to arrest people.
Exactly
At the time it was unconstitutional
Yeah, that’s the problem .
It was Unconstitutional.
Then they decided it was in the best interest of the nation
And added it
Which clear up who got to use the power
After the fact, yeah. After he unjustly had thousands of people arrested for supposed treason, violating their 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendment rights.
Court cases normally happen after crimes
That doesn't mean it's a constitutional action, otherwise presidents that followed would still be pulling 180's on Congress to this day
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In this case they decided it wasnt a crime
That doesn't make it right
But thats how law works
It's unconstitutional no matter the reaction.
Just not morally correct to you two
After finding the most backwards deduction reason possible and using an unhealthy amount of mental gymnastics, which only make Lincoln look worse.
Which means fuck all in the long run
You make southerners look worse
Butthirt over 150 year old shit
That was ruled lawful
You seem to be the only one talking morals
Lincoln was a Constitutional Lawyer, he should probably know the Constitution well enough to know where is powers end and where Congress’s powers begin.
Now it is insisted that Congress, and not the Executive, is vested with this power. But the Constitution itself, is silent as to which, or who, is to exercise the power; and as the provision was plainly made for a dangerous emergency, it cannot be believed the framers of the instrument intended, that, in every case, the danger should run its course, until Congress could be called together; the very assembling of which might be prevented ... by the rebellion. No more extended argument is now offered, as an opinion ... will probably be presented by the Attorney General. Whether there shall be any legislation upon the subject, and if any, what, is submitted entirely to the better judgment of Congress.
Lincolns words
He knew
You cite Congress' reaction. We've cited the fucking Constitution.
Ehzek, it’s under Article I.
Article I is Congress’s powers and limitations.
It was a blind spot in the constitution
The writ of Habeus Corpus and it’s suspension are Congressional powers.
That congress and abe fixed
The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
No, that’s a lie.
That’s sophistry if I ever saw it.