And in which case, feminism was not originally an egalitarian movement

I think it's clear now that feminist movements haven't been egalitarian from the outset.

I thought it was general equality

My point is that feminism was never about equality.

I am saying feminism resulted in many laudable things, but over time we have learned of many errors which need to be corrected.

Like what? Women's suffrage?

That wasn't the topic either

Women's attendance in universities?

No, like the expectation of military service

Ever heard of womansplaining?

How were more privileges a laudable thing when it didn't come with the responsibilities?

I see no down side to women attendance in universities except in regards to quotas and such

My problem with feminism is I actually want someone who is literally just a housewife to
-Teach the kids because I can't stand the idea of putting my kids through a public school
-Take care of the house
And that's pretty much it

We have wreaked absolute havoc on the family and the justice system.

So you want a slave

And it's becoming harder and harder to find someone

My personal belief is that the government should not be able to ask sex, gender, or race on any official documents outside of identification documents or census

No that isn't a slave

I do not know which gender had it worse historically, I cannot put an objective metric on it.

But men had those extra "rights" because they were charged with defending their country to death.

They both had it worse in different ways

So here's the issue I'm having
It was agreed that it's not egalitarian now
We agreed upon first wave being the origin point, and suffrage was considered the startling point
But suffrage was not egalitarian. So what is the origin of Egalitarian Feminism? Is it just whenever it's convenient?

Yes, history sucks for both men and women

I am sorry, but if I had to decide between being able to vote or taking a bullet to the head, I think I would rather skip voting.

It's not even close to a slave, I'm the one working 40 hour workdays

Cat, do you believe that only slaves can teach children and run a household?

An egalitarian organization would solve problems on both ends of the scale, but you're not making a case for that

As long as you find a woman who is happy living the life you describe, that's awesome

So, again: I define feminism in terms of the feminist theory, its authors, its thought leaders, its politics, its actions, and its effects - and in view of that package, I have to thoroughly reject feminism.

Most women would be.

An egalitarian would remove the scale imo and just treat everyone identical

No need for this balancing act

The scale is just whatever the legal system is. Imbalance occurs through discriminatory lawmaking

Sure, we can talk about egalitarianism, but you would have to drag me with 10 horses towards equating the two.

Balancing the scale is just removing discriminatory laws to allow for opportunity

I'm not egalitarian at all, I think that people should stay where they think they have an aptitude

What laws other then selective servicev are discriminatiatory?

@🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞 depends on whether egalitarianism maps to opportunity or outcome

To clarify my point, this is a really good conversation about that history of feminism and I think it will clear things up why I reject that whole ideology and movement so throughly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv7LvRhvgNI

@The Yellow King you're hopping in halfway through. We were discussing historical examples. However, there's definitely discriminatory funding, trial outcomes etc. They're not what I typically see idpol movements fighting against though

I'd be curious for a real, scientific poll showing how many women would feel fulfilled that way. I'm actually really curious.