Message from @devpav

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2018-12-05 16:54:20 UTC  

almost no drugs are made in the EU

2018-12-05 16:54:28 UTC  

cause of low profit, and high regulation

2018-12-05 16:54:46 UTC  

so the health care system is reliant on US innovation to stay competitive

2018-12-05 16:55:10 UTC  

if the US were to impose tariffs on medical products the EU socialized system would also break.

2018-12-05 16:58:43 UTC  

that's why Sweden hasn't really grown in a decade https://tradingeconomics.com/sweden/gdp-growth?continent=g20

2018-12-05 16:59:44 UTC  

now drop that on a population of around 10 million. What could possibly go wrong?"

2018-12-05 17:01:47 UTC  

/rant

2018-12-05 17:03:46 UTC  

lol

2018-12-05 17:26:18 UTC  

"Every country has half the people below average"
That's called statistics
>unskilled = middle class
Not really
If you wanna talk about why economies and why they're fucked, look to legislation m8. Why inflation is consistent, why costs for labour and living are so high, how the power and money consolidation happens

2018-12-05 17:48:05 UTC  

true

2018-12-05 18:10:15 UTC  

China is cheaper, even with shipping costs and tariffs, because costs in the US are too high

2018-12-05 18:10:30 UTC  

Because the goal in the west is, in effect, artificial growth

2018-12-05 18:13:38 UTC  

Oh, c'mon, 'costs in the US are too high' is complete rubbish.

2018-12-05 18:13:44 UTC  

Saving money is discouraged, buying on credit is incentivized. Hiring locally is discouraged, outsourcing is incentivized

2018-12-05 18:13:53 UTC  

How so?

2018-12-05 18:14:59 UTC  

If it costs more to hire an American to produce for Americans than it does to outsource to a country halfway around the world and ship everything to/from there, and people will still buy your product, who is going to hire Americans?

2018-12-05 18:16:30 UTC  

My answer to that hypothetical is to either ban offshoring or raise tariffs sky-high.

2018-12-05 18:17:06 UTC  

But you've conceded my point then

2018-12-05 18:17:33 UTC  

There are some things that china are just well placed to produce. Most of that is tech stuff. And thats partly resources they owned inside their borders, and ones they have "secured" outside it.

2018-12-05 18:18:29 UTC  

There are also things that China does a shit job of producing at what would generally be considered acceptable standards in the west, but it hasn't caused people to buy local 🤔

2018-12-05 18:19:02 UTC  

'Buy American' isn't being marketed very effectively.

2018-12-05 18:19:21 UTC  

How much cheap steel and lead paint does it take to cause domestic purchasing? Apparently a substantial amount

2018-12-05 18:19:35 UTC  

Who isn't marketing it effectively?

2018-12-05 18:20:27 UTC  

Consumers have to be informed about cheap steel and lead paint if they're ever going to avoid it.

2018-12-05 18:20:47 UTC  

They are, frequently

2018-12-05 18:20:57 UTC  

How so?

2018-12-05 18:21:11 UTC  

There are news stories about lead paint every time people find out about it

2018-12-05 18:21:29 UTC  

That's obviously not effective marketing.

2018-12-05 18:21:34 UTC  

People stop buying that specific product for a while and then go back to those companies later if they boycotted at all

2018-12-05 18:21:55 UTC  

Again, whose marketing?

2018-12-05 18:22:57 UTC  

American companies or governments.

2018-12-05 18:25:15 UTC  

It's now up to the government to advertise for companies? And domestic production does get put front and center on sites/storefronts where it is utilized, however they make less money than companies that pay cents on the dollar for their products (because Chinese labour, even with the cost of shipping, is far cheaper than an ever increasing minimum wage and the various taxes and expenses small businesses are burdened with, which is also why we see so many companies utilizing tax havens)

2018-12-05 18:27:46 UTC  

Actually screw advertising. If demand for Chinese cheap steal and lead paint is as inelastic as you claim then we can and should be imposing ridiculously high tariffs on them.

2018-12-05 18:27:58 UTC  

Whys that?

2018-12-05 18:28:35 UTC  

Because it's easy revenue.

2018-12-05 18:28:41 UTC  

And?

2018-12-05 18:29:25 UTC  

Easier revenue than personal income tax.

2018-12-05 18:29:25 UTC  

They just move production to Vietnam. It's not like it'll come back here

2018-12-05 18:29:51 UTC  

And we just tariff imports from Vietnam.

2018-12-05 18:29:53 UTC  

Okay, but you're not providing justification. You're just bitching

2018-12-05 18:30:09 UTC  

Let's just tariff the entire third world?