Message from @m1

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2018-12-05 16:48:26 UTC  

They're burning down Paris because they're being fucked by legislation

2018-12-05 16:48:43 UTC  

Legislation is also why sweatshop labourers are "stealing" your jobs

2018-12-05 16:48:58 UTC  

which country?

2018-12-05 16:49:03 UTC  

Because it is cheaper to ship materials and products around the globe

2018-12-05 16:49:10 UTC  

>insert western nation here

2018-12-05 16:50:10 UTC  

but the solution cant be to hide from the issue

2018-12-05 16:51:14 UTC  

every country has half of the people are below average

2018-12-05 16:51:22 UTC  

even western ones

2018-12-05 16:51:36 UTC  

50/50 chance we have a bunch in here

2018-12-05 16:51:59 UTC  

if you sacrifice the unskilled people. you sacrifice your middle class

2018-12-05 16:52:36 UTC  

you can say you are WHOLLY DEPEND on your Chinese Gods to produce cheap goods to stay competitive

2018-12-05 16:52:43 UTC  

but you sacrifice your weakest citizens

2018-12-05 16:53:03 UTC  

so low skilled labor gets unemployed, and middle skilled labor gets paid poor skilled wages

2018-12-05 16:53:41 UTC  

if you drop a few million low skilled/ no language skilled people on the EU

2018-12-05 16:53:45 UTC  

the system will snap in half

2018-12-05 16:54:10 UTC  

just like health care that nobody talks about

2018-12-05 16:54:20 UTC  

almost no drugs are made in the EU

2018-12-05 16:54:28 UTC  

cause of low profit, and high regulation

2018-12-05 16:54:46 UTC  

so the health care system is reliant on US innovation to stay competitive

2018-12-05 16:55:10 UTC  

if the US were to impose tariffs on medical products the EU socialized system would also break.

2018-12-05 16:58:43 UTC  

that's why Sweden hasn't really grown in a decade https://tradingeconomics.com/sweden/gdp-growth?continent=g20

2018-12-05 16:59:44 UTC  

now drop that on a population of around 10 million. What could possibly go wrong?"

2018-12-05 17:01:47 UTC  

/rant

2018-12-05 17:03:46 UTC  

lol

2018-12-05 17:26:18 UTC  

"Every country has half the people below average"
That's called statistics
>unskilled = middle class
Not really
If you wanna talk about why economies and why they're fucked, look to legislation m8. Why inflation is consistent, why costs for labour and living are so high, how the power and money consolidation happens

2018-12-05 17:48:05 UTC  

true

2018-12-05 18:10:15 UTC  

China is cheaper, even with shipping costs and tariffs, because costs in the US are too high

2018-12-05 18:10:30 UTC  

Because the goal in the west is, in effect, artificial growth

2018-12-05 18:13:38 UTC  

Oh, c'mon, 'costs in the US are too high' is complete rubbish.

2018-12-05 18:13:44 UTC  

Saving money is discouraged, buying on credit is incentivized. Hiring locally is discouraged, outsourcing is incentivized

2018-12-05 18:13:53 UTC  

How so?

2018-12-05 18:14:59 UTC  

If it costs more to hire an American to produce for Americans than it does to outsource to a country halfway around the world and ship everything to/from there, and people will still buy your product, who is going to hire Americans?

2018-12-05 18:16:30 UTC  

My answer to that hypothetical is to either ban offshoring or raise tariffs sky-high.

2018-12-05 18:17:06 UTC  

But you've conceded my point then

2018-12-05 18:17:33 UTC  

There are some things that china are just well placed to produce. Most of that is tech stuff. And thats partly resources they owned inside their borders, and ones they have "secured" outside it.

2018-12-05 18:18:29 UTC  

There are also things that China does a shit job of producing at what would generally be considered acceptable standards in the west, but it hasn't caused people to buy local 🤔

2018-12-05 18:19:02 UTC  

'Buy American' isn't being marketed very effectively.

2018-12-05 18:19:21 UTC  

How much cheap steel and lead paint does it take to cause domestic purchasing? Apparently a substantial amount

2018-12-05 18:19:35 UTC  

Who isn't marketing it effectively?

2018-12-05 18:20:27 UTC  

Consumers have to be informed about cheap steel and lead paint if they're ever going to avoid it.

2018-12-05 18:20:47 UTC  

They are, frequently