Message from @devpav

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2018-12-05 18:16:30 UTC  

My answer to that hypothetical is to either ban offshoring or raise tariffs sky-high.

2018-12-05 18:17:06 UTC  

But you've conceded my point then

2018-12-05 18:17:33 UTC  

There are some things that china are just well placed to produce. Most of that is tech stuff. And thats partly resources they owned inside their borders, and ones they have "secured" outside it.

2018-12-05 18:18:29 UTC  

There are also things that China does a shit job of producing at what would generally be considered acceptable standards in the west, but it hasn't caused people to buy local 🤔

2018-12-05 18:19:02 UTC  

'Buy American' isn't being marketed very effectively.

2018-12-05 18:19:21 UTC  

How much cheap steel and lead paint does it take to cause domestic purchasing? Apparently a substantial amount

2018-12-05 18:19:35 UTC  

Who isn't marketing it effectively?

2018-12-05 18:20:27 UTC  

Consumers have to be informed about cheap steel and lead paint if they're ever going to avoid it.

2018-12-05 18:20:47 UTC  

They are, frequently

2018-12-05 18:20:57 UTC  

How so?

2018-12-05 18:21:11 UTC  

There are news stories about lead paint every time people find out about it

2018-12-05 18:21:29 UTC  

That's obviously not effective marketing.

2018-12-05 18:21:34 UTC  

People stop buying that specific product for a while and then go back to those companies later if they boycotted at all

2018-12-05 18:21:55 UTC  

Again, whose marketing?

2018-12-05 18:22:57 UTC  

American companies or governments.

2018-12-05 18:25:15 UTC  

It's now up to the government to advertise for companies? And domestic production does get put front and center on sites/storefronts where it is utilized, however they make less money than companies that pay cents on the dollar for their products (because Chinese labour, even with the cost of shipping, is far cheaper than an ever increasing minimum wage and the various taxes and expenses small businesses are burdened with, which is also why we see so many companies utilizing tax havens)

2018-12-05 18:27:46 UTC  

Actually screw advertising. If demand for Chinese cheap steal and lead paint is as inelastic as you claim then we can and should be imposing ridiculously high tariffs on them.

2018-12-05 18:27:58 UTC  

Whys that?

2018-12-05 18:28:35 UTC  

Because it's easy revenue.

2018-12-05 18:28:41 UTC  

And?

2018-12-05 18:29:25 UTC  

Easier revenue than personal income tax.

2018-12-05 18:29:25 UTC  

They just move production to Vietnam. It's not like it'll come back here

2018-12-05 18:29:51 UTC  

And we just tariff imports from Vietnam.

2018-12-05 18:29:53 UTC  

Okay, but you're not providing justification. You're just bitching

2018-12-05 18:30:09 UTC  

Let's just tariff the entire third world?

2018-12-05 18:30:20 UTC  

Exactly.

2018-12-05 18:30:28 UTC  

Tariffs on China makes sense because they are an economic competitor.

2018-12-05 18:30:37 UTC  

Vietnam isn't.

2018-12-05 18:31:02 UTC  

Everybody who buys or sells something is an economic competitor.

2018-12-05 18:31:17 UTC  

Don't play semantics. It's childish

2018-12-05 18:31:20 UTC  

>let's have our industry be non competitive because it isn't competitive now

2018-12-05 18:31:36 UTC  

You know what is meant in that statement

2018-12-05 18:32:06 UTC  

I'm speaking textbook economics. I don't know what dialect you're speaking.

2018-12-05 18:32:13 UTC  

Nigger please

2018-12-05 18:32:23 UTC  

Racist

2018-12-05 18:32:34 UTC  

You're speaking "I read a single book about economics"

2018-12-05 18:32:55 UTC  

My car was stolen by a black guy @oprahsminge

2018-12-05 18:32:58 UTC  

You prick

2018-12-05 18:33:09 UTC  
2018-12-05 18:33:09 UTC  

You're speaking in terms of heavy interventionism because the economy isn't working the way you like lol

2018-12-05 18:33:18 UTC  

A lot more than one. And they all define economic activity in the same competitive terms.