Message from @RyeNorth

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2018-12-22 01:42:20 UTC  

Nobody is entitled to the way another person perceives you.

2018-12-22 01:55:25 UTC  

Self image can be literally anything you see yourself as.

2018-12-22 01:58:18 UTC  

If I see myself as a nice person, the very definition of generosity, that doesn't matter if I actively tell every homeless person I see to ' get a fucking job '

2018-12-22 02:01:23 UTC  

I, personally, see myself as being a bit younger than I am. In my head I'm about 23, I imagine myself to have a different jawline, a certain intense defiance when it comes to matters in questionable authority, and a strong philosophical grasp.

2018-12-22 02:02:42 UTC  

There are things in that self image that, to be healthy, I have to accept as untrue. Other things that I have to actualize if I want to be perceived that way.

2018-12-22 02:06:15 UTC  

But if someone does not see me that way, if they see me as ignorant, or just plain arrogant, that is their image of me, no matter how I disagree. They're not obligated to tell me how smart I am or grounded I am, or how righteous I am in the fights I take up, that would be silly. Nobody's obligated to call me stunning and brave.

2018-12-22 02:08:26 UTC  

Cool, so if you imagine yourself to be a woman, but I believe you're a man, you aren't entitled to make me recognize your imagination.

2018-12-22 03:13:02 UTC  

That's you're prerogative but you'll likely be calling lots of ovulating people dudes if you are intent on never calling someone without ovaries a woman

2018-12-22 03:13:26 UTC  

And again you have people born women with no ovaries or uterus.

2018-12-22 03:14:29 UTC  

If you want to be rude, that's your business. Or you can show courtesy, be polite, and go with what they signal.

2018-12-22 03:23:52 UTC  

>And again you have people born women with no ovaries or uterus.
Give us a %

2018-12-22 03:24:21 UTC  

no matter the number you come up with. You _know_ that they are the exception

2018-12-22 03:24:44 UTC  

Humans have 2 arms, you don't get to create a new definition of _human_ if you miss one arm

2018-12-22 03:27:49 UTC  

There is a genetic defining characteristic between male and female. Xx, and xy.

2018-12-22 03:28:08 UTC  

There are deviations, as well. Incredibly rare.

2018-12-22 03:29:05 UTC  

Androgen insensitivity syndrome

2018-12-22 03:30:44 UTC  

What part of that makes them a woman?

2018-12-22 03:31:24 UTC  

Is womanhood the lack of manhood?

2018-12-22 03:31:34 UTC  

It's not a negative state.

2018-12-22 03:31:34 UTC  

Intersex provides evidence of how the brain knows gender. We've seen intersex kids or kids with circumcision accidents where physicians and parents try to assign. The kid grows up with anatomy that sexes them but they know it's wrong. The brain knows.

2018-12-22 03:32:04 UTC  

Gender is a linguistic concept.

2018-12-22 03:32:13 UTC  

The brain doesn't innately know gender.

2018-12-22 03:32:29 UTC  

Then why do we have kids kill themselves over it?

2018-12-22 03:32:44 UTC  

That poor kid in that terrible experiment

2018-12-22 03:32:47 UTC  

Are we already going to suicide?

2018-12-22 03:32:51 UTC  

Record time.

2018-12-22 03:33:14 UTC  

Boy made a girl as an experiment due to a circumcision accident

2018-12-22 03:33:20 UTC  

What about the fact that transition actually INCREASES suicide rate?

2018-12-22 03:33:26 UTC  

Statistically speaking.

2018-12-22 03:33:39 UTC  

Not really.

2018-12-22 03:33:52 UTC  

Oh wait

2018-12-22 03:34:31 UTC  

You're talking about David Reimer.

2018-12-22 03:34:37 UTC  

Yes

2018-12-22 03:34:49 UTC  

Again, the brain knows what it knows

2018-12-22 03:35:11 UTC  

Yeah, can't easily forget child abuse.

2018-12-22 03:36:13 UTC  

My point is that sorry incident actually makes clear that gender exists. The brain knows. And it may not match the anatomy.

2018-12-22 03:36:21 UTC  

What about Brian, though?

2018-12-22 03:36:40 UTC  

You're missing an important link in that example.

2018-12-22 03:37:06 UTC  

His brother Od'd on antidepressants, himself.

2018-12-22 03:37:18 UTC  

What point are you trying to make with David?

2018-12-22 03:37:40 UTC  

Because it's not as self explanatory as you seem to think it is.