Message from @Kibec

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2018-12-29 18:54:26 UTC  

what is even your point here?

2018-12-29 18:55:41 UTC  

That conservatives shut down a liberal speaker, exactly as stated in the question you linked

2018-12-29 18:55:44 UTC  

Free Speech doesn't mean you can speak everywhere

2018-12-29 18:56:03 UTC  

the question was _on collegue campus_

2018-12-29 18:56:10 UTC  

you didn't even remain on topic

2018-12-29 18:56:42 UTC  

she wasn't in any event. She wasn't silenced

2018-12-29 18:56:56 UTC  

She was free to go to any event and say whatever she wanted there

2018-12-29 18:57:19 UTC  

I'll admit I was only responding to the question posed in the link thumbnail

2018-12-29 18:57:43 UTC  

Not being given air time in a debate isn't "silencing"

2018-12-29 18:58:12 UTC  

Not being given a stage in a debate isn't "silencing"?

2018-12-29 18:58:33 UTC  

if you go to an event and you decide to scream from your seat, you will be "silenced" too

2018-12-29 18:59:26 UTC  

I'm very absolutist when it comes to free speech, but you are being too blind on nuances

2018-12-29 18:59:48 UTC  

Honestly, we're likely on the same page in that I detest the silencing of debate on college campuses. I just lived through my own experience where threat to safety absolutely did silence liberal speakers on college campuses when I went to college.

2018-12-29 19:00:36 UTC  

Go back to the civil rights era and people ended up in hospitals for speaking out on college campuses

2018-12-29 19:01:18 UTC  

I detested it in the 60's, I detested it in the 80's/90's, and I detest it now.

2018-12-29 19:02:02 UTC  

How's that for silencing on a college campus?

2018-12-29 19:02:22 UTC  

there shouldnt be silencing on campuses

2018-12-29 19:02:27 UTC  

or any schools

2018-12-29 19:02:29 UTC  

Agreed

2018-12-29 19:03:11 UTC  

the moment it is uniformaly agreed on whole campus and you have a bubble with one idea then something is wrong

2018-12-29 19:03:20 UTC  

You are kinda missing the point of the question if you have to use examples from 50 years ago

2018-12-29 19:03:36 UTC  

the point was not to discuss history

2018-12-29 19:03:50 UTC  

Maybe that's because my experience as a college student is 30 years old :p

2018-12-29 19:04:12 UTC  

My personal experience is my reality

2018-12-29 19:04:21 UTC  

it's like the slavery talk, when someone says reps wanted to end slavery and people try to dig for examples of reps that owned slaves. It's besides the point

2018-12-29 19:04:40 UTC  

Fair, I guess

2018-12-29 19:04:55 UTC  

So my life experience is beside the point 😿

2018-12-29 19:05:14 UTC  

But I highly doubt that people on the right wouldn't support you if you were protesting for free speech for people on the left

2018-12-29 19:11:12 UTC  

I can't say as I am now close to 50 years old and haven't exercised campus free speech in a rather long time. I just know that silencing has a long, terrible history. Historically it has been the right who has wielded the club. Now it may well be the left (although that may not be the case on a religious campus). Just because those doing the silencing may have changed, doesn't make it any less wrong.

2018-12-29 19:12:59 UTC  

I agree with Tim that college is where kids (should) go to be exposed to a multitude of ideas. If that is not happening, the system is broken and needs to be reexamined. It saddens me to hear Tim repeat his derision for college attandance. I loved it and I've worked my ass off for 25 years to make sure my kids can go without any debt.

2018-12-29 19:56:50 UTC  

Silencing also has a long, wonderful history.

2018-12-29 19:57:25 UTC  

Many a poor soul has had poisonous and harmful ideas and lies destroyed long before it could reach them.

2018-12-29 20:15:06 UTC  

TBF, I can soooorta see the point?

2018-12-29 20:15:30 UTC  

on the other hand, I'm unsure if that classes as defamation

2018-12-29 22:38:03 UTC  

I'm beginning to think we need to the Social Democrats the door and recover the Liberal Democrat party from the left ¬.¬

2018-12-29 22:38:11 UTC  

show the Social Democrats, even

2018-12-29 22:39:24 UTC  

at this point, it'd be easier to just make a 4 party system

2018-12-29 22:39:35 UTC  

liberal and autocratic, and 1 for each side

2018-12-29 22:40:33 UTC  

so where does UKIP go? (off, somewhere .. to retire in spain ?)

2018-12-29 22:44:09 UTC  

not sure honestly...