Message from @RekItRalph

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2019-02-04 21:51:31 UTC  

Now take all the wasted physical resources spent on duplicate products/excessive luxuries and put it toward science

2019-02-04 21:53:00 UTC  

Combine that with the previously wasted focus and humanity will live like the Jetsons in no time

2019-02-04 22:53:43 UTC  

@Blackhawk342 I think you misunderstood. The well being of the worker would not come at the expense of the business’ success. Labor just wouldn’t be seen as resources and more profits would go to the worker.

2019-02-04 22:54:12 UTC  

Only if the worker is willing to put the risk on the line like the ower, then sure.

2019-02-04 22:54:31 UTC  

You would still have class structure so I’m not sure where this idea of communism comes from

2019-02-04 22:54:39 UTC  

If the only risk is not having a job then I don't think "the workers" deserve any more share of teh proffits

2019-02-04 22:55:16 UTC  

Why would there be fewer jobs?

2019-02-04 22:55:33 UTC  

Because people are being paid more?

2019-02-04 23:00:37 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/509549100061163520/542117303031169049/sow9n3p5dpc01.jpg

2019-02-04 23:20:44 UTC  

I think you are misrepresenting the concept

2019-02-04 23:21:36 UTC  

People should still be paid based on their value. But proportionality is a factor

2019-02-04 23:21:42 UTC  

The well being of the worker requires money either from the company, their community or the worker themselves

2019-02-04 23:22:06 UTC  

If its coming from the company then it is at the expense of the company's success which is measured in profits

2019-02-04 23:22:47 UTC  

It can also come from the profits themselves. Case and point, the CEO of Nintendo cut his salary after the WiiU flopped

2019-02-04 23:23:29 UTC  

Japanese corporate culture is a bit different. I don’t think US business culture is the only way to look at things.

2019-02-04 23:23:35 UTC  

and did their workers see an increase in pay following his cut?

2019-02-04 23:25:28 UTC  

Not sure. Either that or company expenses. In either case it should not be looked down upon if CEOs cut their own profits.

2019-02-04 23:26:22 UTC  

There is no real negative effects to the business simply because that money wasn’t going to the business in the first place. It was going to the individual

2019-02-04 23:26:49 UTC  

Does that mean you expect executives to take paycuts across the board before redirecting funds to lower level employees?

2019-02-04 23:26:59 UTC  

Jesse is really great sometimes:
https://youtu.be/APm-egYzaUU

2019-02-04 23:27:20 UTC  

What? No, not every executive.

2019-02-04 23:28:08 UTC  

You appear to be viewing my proposal through the lenses of “anti-socialist” propaganda.

2019-02-04 23:28:54 UTC  

The concept of seeing people as family rather than resources would be a cultural additude. Pay cutting is just one avenue

2019-02-04 23:29:18 UTC  

As of 2016 that is the current corporate culture

2019-02-04 23:29:34 UTC  

or at least its what they teach in management classes

2019-02-04 23:30:10 UTC  

The current culture is to maximize profits for the owners.

2019-02-04 23:30:47 UTC  

Yes, the two are supposed to be balanced with each other

2019-02-04 23:30:56 UTC  

Japan is to have their business last as long as possible. A few business conglomerates see business as family

2019-02-04 23:31:25 UTC  

I think the third is the ideal approach to build policy and culture around

2019-02-04 23:31:44 UTC  

They have massive conglomerates which work people to the bone

2019-02-04 23:31:58 UTC  

People kill themselves over work stress, not all at once but overtime

2019-02-04 23:32:21 UTC  

They dont have families and the government currently gives out massive benefits to anyone who has a child

2019-02-04 23:32:28 UTC  

Who’s “they?”

2019-02-04 23:32:37 UTC  

Japan?

2019-02-04 23:32:37 UTC  

the japanese

2019-02-04 23:33:09 UTC  

This is true. Asians are very fixated on the concept of status

2019-02-04 23:33:10 UTC  

If youd like to see something achieved like better quality of life for workers japan should be an example of what not to do

2019-02-04 23:33:31 UTC  

Working like crazy is part of that

2019-02-04 23:34:13 UTC  

People would be more productive but also more stressed which goes against the needs of the individual

2019-02-04 23:34:28 UTC  

The CEOs can publicly flog themselves, but it wont fix the fact that they reward over-working and the prioritization of work over social life to the point where the former erases the later

2019-02-04 23:35:13 UTC  

A family based approach maintains the needs and respects the time of the individual.