Message from @Maddy_Zabbara

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2019-02-04 21:07:00 UTC  

@Blackhawk342 how would this be communist?

2019-02-04 21:20:50 UTC  

How would a society with a planned economy and prioritizing the well being of workers above company success be communist?

2019-02-04 21:24:53 UTC  

You said that families provide for each other and that you would like companies to do the same

2019-02-04 21:25:25 UTC  

That would expand to the rest of society and communities as a whole because you cant rely on companies to do everything

2019-02-04 21:26:02 UTC  

at the same time that would necessitate popular control of companies because worker well being is usually balanced with profits

2019-02-04 21:29:28 UTC  

if profits are no longer the priority then executives and higher ups at a company are effectively dead weight

2019-02-04 21:32:48 UTC  

these companies would need to fit into a larger economic picture because the society is grounded in facts

2019-02-04 21:34:43 UTC  

Fact is that duplicate products are a waste of humanity's resources and focus

2019-02-04 21:35:41 UTC  

Why have 300 kinds of cheese when you can make 5 kinds and redirect the resources used for the other 295 kinds into other areas that are more important?

2019-02-04 21:37:14 UTC  

@Analytical Chick dafuq are you salty about?

2019-02-04 21:37:39 UTC  

What makes you think I'm alt right?

2019-02-04 21:40:42 UTC  

This necessitates a planned economy because the government needs to ensure that people's needs are met and there are a very limited number of businesses to do the job

2019-02-04 21:42:57 UTC  

On top of that you said you would limit death as much as possible focusing on suicides, homicides and health

2019-02-04 21:43:24 UTC  

Solution to that is a totalitarian police state that monitor's peoples every move and thought even inside of their homes

2019-02-04 21:46:11 UTC  

Cant get away with crimes if the police know where you are 24/7
Cant make poor health choices if the government bans and removes all harmful products from the market
Suicides wouldnt happen if the state had a group of psychologists with access to recordings of everyone during all waking hours

2019-02-04 21:51:31 UTC  

Now take all the wasted physical resources spent on duplicate products/excessive luxuries and put it toward science

2019-02-04 21:53:00 UTC  

Combine that with the previously wasted focus and humanity will live like the Jetsons in no time

2019-02-04 22:53:43 UTC  

@Blackhawk342 I think you misunderstood. The well being of the worker would not come at the expense of the business’ success. Labor just wouldn’t be seen as resources and more profits would go to the worker.

2019-02-04 22:54:12 UTC  

Only if the worker is willing to put the risk on the line like the ower, then sure.

2019-02-04 22:54:31 UTC  

You would still have class structure so I’m not sure where this idea of communism comes from

2019-02-04 22:54:39 UTC  

If the only risk is not having a job then I don't think "the workers" deserve any more share of teh proffits

2019-02-04 22:55:16 UTC  

Why would there be fewer jobs?

2019-02-04 22:55:33 UTC  

Because people are being paid more?

2019-02-04 23:00:37 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/509549100061163520/542117303031169049/sow9n3p5dpc01.jpg

2019-02-04 23:20:44 UTC  

I think you are misrepresenting the concept

2019-02-04 23:21:36 UTC  

People should still be paid based on their value. But proportionality is a factor

2019-02-04 23:21:42 UTC  

The well being of the worker requires money either from the company, their community or the worker themselves

2019-02-04 23:22:06 UTC  

If its coming from the company then it is at the expense of the company's success which is measured in profits

2019-02-04 23:22:47 UTC  

It can also come from the profits themselves. Case and point, the CEO of Nintendo cut his salary after the WiiU flopped

2019-02-04 23:23:29 UTC  

Japanese corporate culture is a bit different. I don’t think US business culture is the only way to look at things.

2019-02-04 23:23:35 UTC  

and did their workers see an increase in pay following his cut?

2019-02-04 23:25:28 UTC  

Not sure. Either that or company expenses. In either case it should not be looked down upon if CEOs cut their own profits.

2019-02-04 23:26:22 UTC  

There is no real negative effects to the business simply because that money wasn’t going to the business in the first place. It was going to the individual

2019-02-04 23:26:49 UTC  

Does that mean you expect executives to take paycuts across the board before redirecting funds to lower level employees?

2019-02-04 23:26:59 UTC  

Jesse is really great sometimes:
https://youtu.be/APm-egYzaUU

2019-02-04 23:27:20 UTC  

What? No, not every executive.

2019-02-04 23:28:08 UTC  

You appear to be viewing my proposal through the lenses of “anti-socialist” propaganda.

2019-02-04 23:28:54 UTC  

The concept of seeing people as family rather than resources would be a cultural additude. Pay cutting is just one avenue

2019-02-04 23:29:18 UTC  

As of 2016 that is the current corporate culture

2019-02-04 23:29:34 UTC  

or at least its what they teach in management classes

2019-02-04 23:30:10 UTC  

The current culture is to maximize profits for the owners.