Message from @halfthink

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2019-02-14 18:20:38 UTC  

hence why I think currency should be based on production function, it's not so different from Smith's labor as value theory

2019-02-14 18:20:42 UTC  

There are no utils.

2019-02-14 18:21:33 UTC  

i'd like to make this clear on economics: economists are essentially the modern-day alchemists. they "know" nothing for a fact. if they claim to, they are either delusional, or lying. they are fortune tellers who shout out when they are right and gloss over anything they are wrong about.

2019-02-14 18:21:59 UTC  

well, a lot of modern economics is based on theoretical speculation and math autism, but there's certain aspects to it which are real

2019-02-14 18:22:00 UTC  
2019-02-14 18:22:10 UTC  

production is a tangible real thing

2019-02-14 18:22:26 UTC  

yes, there is a real backbone to economics, but most of that is just the basics.

2019-02-14 18:22:47 UTC  

the basics are more salient as you get to the higher levels ironically

2019-02-14 18:23:03 UTC  

t.econ graduate school student

2019-02-14 18:23:09 UTC  

Value depends on purpose. Purpose depends on the individual. Collective consciousness is a spook.

2019-02-14 18:23:21 UTC  

i'd classify production part of the basics. but keep in mind, humans have a social aspect to them. homogeneity may make things easier, but will almost certainly not make things better.

2019-02-14 18:23:22 UTC  

individualism is a spook propagated by jewish intellectuals

2019-02-14 18:24:01 UTC  

Hitler was a Jew

2019-02-14 18:24:05 UTC  

@Aero I would argue economics is itself a branch of moral philosophy

2019-02-14 18:24:17 UTC  

the problem is capitalists are amoral or immoral

2019-02-14 18:24:27 UTC  

Science is amoral.

2019-02-14 18:24:39 UTC  

yes, which is the problem, there is no ascendancy principle

2019-02-14 18:25:00 UTC  

simply finding shit out is retarded because certain paths diverge into dangerous technologies which can end civilization (ai as example)

2019-02-14 18:25:22 UTC  

btw regulating technologies like nanotech, ai etc will require dictatorship or absolute monarchy

2019-02-14 18:25:35 UTC  

so either way we are necessary to the current structure and tech of society

2019-02-14 18:27:11 UTC  

Honestly can't tell if you're shitposting.

2019-02-14 18:27:26 UTC  

I'd have to get more into moral philosophy myself, but reading some chinese literature makes me think that there is no truly moral way of thinking that will not change in the future.

2019-02-14 18:28:04 UTC  

There is, it's called traditional Christianity in league with an authoritarian state.

2019-02-14 18:28:13 UTC  

Blasphemy.

2019-02-14 18:28:15 UTC  

I'm not shitposting. I reject all modern liberal ideas.

2019-02-14 18:28:28 UTC  

I genuinely think that enlightenment was the worst thing to happen to Europe.

2019-02-14 18:28:35 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/509549100061163520/545672725537095680/Dyx27vHWwAEzBUV.jpeg

2019-02-14 18:29:01 UTC  

Actually this is a prot American bullshit idea of separation of church and state. In trad Christianity state collaborates with church in symphonia.

2019-02-14 18:29:19 UTC  

They work together, where on upholds theological rules the other extends the sword to prevent degeneracy and keep social order.

2019-02-14 18:29:36 UTC  

so... you're for a Theocracy?

2019-02-14 18:29:38 UTC  

this prevents any king or dictator from going too far

2019-02-14 18:29:50 UTC  

No, it's a synergy of state and church working together.

2019-02-14 18:30:02 UTC  

Neither has dominance over other. A theocracy would be church run.

2019-02-14 18:30:18 UTC  

by virtue of the commandments of christianity, a state cannot hold equal authority to the book.

2019-02-14 18:30:35 UTC  

there is no 'working together'

2019-02-14 18:30:43 UTC  

I believe in the interim we need a transitional period of neo absolutism, or third position dictatorship with a religious focus.

2019-02-14 18:30:52 UTC  

The existence of a state violates the commandments.

2019-02-14 18:30:57 UTC  

@Aero The state upholds moral law, but it has final say on other matters.

2019-02-14 18:31:23 UTC  

In Christianity all rulers are ultimately given authority from heaven. Even the bad ones. So the church must respect the state.

2019-02-14 18:31:34 UTC  

Likewise in a nation of converts the dictator cannot go too far, as the church would protest

2019-02-14 18:31:39 UTC  

Satanist propaganda.