Message from @Aero

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2019-02-14 18:24:05 UTC  

@Aero I would argue economics is itself a branch of moral philosophy

2019-02-14 18:24:17 UTC  

the problem is capitalists are amoral or immoral

2019-02-14 18:24:27 UTC  

Science is amoral.

2019-02-14 18:24:39 UTC  

yes, which is the problem, there is no ascendancy principle

2019-02-14 18:25:00 UTC  

simply finding shit out is retarded because certain paths diverge into dangerous technologies which can end civilization (ai as example)

2019-02-14 18:25:22 UTC  

btw regulating technologies like nanotech, ai etc will require dictatorship or absolute monarchy

2019-02-14 18:25:35 UTC  

so either way we are necessary to the current structure and tech of society

2019-02-14 18:27:11 UTC  

Honestly can't tell if you're shitposting.

2019-02-14 18:27:26 UTC  

I'd have to get more into moral philosophy myself, but reading some chinese literature makes me think that there is no truly moral way of thinking that will not change in the future.

2019-02-14 18:28:04 UTC  

There is, it's called traditional Christianity in league with an authoritarian state.

2019-02-14 18:28:13 UTC  

Blasphemy.

2019-02-14 18:28:15 UTC  

I'm not shitposting. I reject all modern liberal ideas.

2019-02-14 18:28:28 UTC  

I genuinely think that enlightenment was the worst thing to happen to Europe.

2019-02-14 18:28:35 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/509549100061163520/545672725537095680/Dyx27vHWwAEzBUV.jpeg

2019-02-14 18:29:01 UTC  

Actually this is a prot American bullshit idea of separation of church and state. In trad Christianity state collaborates with church in symphonia.

2019-02-14 18:29:19 UTC  

They work together, where on upholds theological rules the other extends the sword to prevent degeneracy and keep social order.

2019-02-14 18:29:36 UTC  

so... you're for a Theocracy?

2019-02-14 18:29:38 UTC  

this prevents any king or dictator from going too far

2019-02-14 18:29:50 UTC  

No, it's a synergy of state and church working together.

2019-02-14 18:30:02 UTC  

Neither has dominance over other. A theocracy would be church run.

2019-02-14 18:30:18 UTC  

by virtue of the commandments of christianity, a state cannot hold equal authority to the book.

2019-02-14 18:30:35 UTC  

there is no 'working together'

2019-02-14 18:30:43 UTC  

I believe in the interim we need a transitional period of neo absolutism, or third position dictatorship with a religious focus.

2019-02-14 18:30:52 UTC  

The existence of a state violates the commandments.

2019-02-14 18:30:57 UTC  

@Aero The state upholds moral law, but it has final say on other matters.

2019-02-14 18:31:23 UTC  

In Christianity all rulers are ultimately given authority from heaven. Even the bad ones. So the church must respect the state.

2019-02-14 18:31:34 UTC  

Likewise in a nation of converts the dictator cannot go too far, as the church would protest

2019-02-14 18:31:39 UTC  

Satanist propaganda.

2019-02-14 18:31:46 UTC  

this keeps stability, and we've seen how well it did in antiquity

2019-02-14 18:31:59 UTC  

This isn't satanism, it's orthodox Christianity of the original church.

2019-02-14 18:32:27 UTC  

The state upholds the law of heaven and God, but they also keep borders and manage other functions which the church cannot do.

2019-02-14 18:33:28 UTC  

What did Hitler do wrong?

2019-02-14 18:34:00 UTC  

is the bible literal fact, or stories meant to pass on lessons? @Vril-Gesellschaft

2019-02-14 18:34:06 UTC  

Nothing really, he did what he could with the resources and time he had.

2019-02-14 18:34:20 UTC  

@Aero it depends, hermeneutics isn't as simple as "literal or analogy"

2019-02-14 18:34:41 UTC  

sometimes it's literal, sometimes it's not, we generally defer to the churchfathers on this issue as an authority in canon, but we can also use personal reason of sorts

2019-02-14 18:35:26 UTC  

for example Christ often gives parables which give both literal and analogous lessons to morality

2019-02-14 18:35:37 UTC  

simultaneously

2019-02-14 18:37:41 UTC  

Not share tech with allies

2019-02-14 18:37:56 UTC  

Constantly invest into random superweapons

2019-02-14 18:38:17 UTC  

@Aero @Vril-Gesellschaft The Campbell perspective is that the Bible is a mix of Parable Moral Stories and oral history... For the Absolutely faithful, the oral history is 100% true and accurate.