Message from @RavishingRussian
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Did I miss anything?
morning everyone
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Morning tana
hey there
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not a whole lot. you
Shep- care to elaborate on what's wrong with art/music these days
Convo from last night
I was speaking about people who try to recreate or "revive" arts from right wing or reactionary perspective
Well, what people don't understand
Let's take for example, Nietzches criticism of Wagner as an example
For Nietzsche, going to a teather or Opera and listening to a tune of Wagner
was same thing as to me is turing on youtube and playing a song
People can't make a difference between technical means
And music itself
There is NOTHING "civilized" about Opera or Symphonies today
It's how people listened to music
To more sophisticated music that is
Because peasants had more simple music that could be played on balalaika and simple drums i guess
But today, way to "revive" high culture isn't by returning to Symphonies and Operas
Because it's completely archaic
good morning
I mean i love Symphonies, i love classical music, i love all of that
But "highness" of that culture, and that music, isn't in the fact that they were orchestras
But in musical content itself
And people in those days, would judge them accordingly, because there was no other, inferior way of listening to multi-timbral type of music
Whatchyall talkin bout?
So someone could say that Tchaikovsky sucks, just as i would say today that a rock band or somebody sucks
And today to us, it seems completely outrageous how could anybody back then say that Tchaikovsky or Wagner suck
@RavishingRussian this:
HFT - Today at 11:59 AM
Shep- care to elaborate on what's wrong with art/music these days
Convo from last night
So you're arguing against cargo cult culture - it's not about the motions made but about the results as such
There is nothing "civilized" about Symphony as a medium, but people judge music performed by Symphonic orchestras by their "content"
The way back isn't, shortly put, in musical "reenactments" of 19th century, because that's what it genuinely is
People are reenacting the way people listened to music in 19th century
Which is OK if you want to feel how that felt, but is completely unecessary
Besides, we haven't really recovered our culture from ashes if we only listen to what we ALREADY made, instead of making new things
If our only way forward is "back to 19th century", that won't last long
@The Enlightened Shepherd
Besides, we haven't really recovered our culture from ashes if we only listen to what we ALREADY made, instead of making new things
==so true....
You could argue that current popular music is degenerate and we should turn back the time on thematic content and then retrace recent developments in a different way