Message from @RavishingRussian

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2016-12-29 16:56:47 UTC  

Did I miss anything?

2016-12-29 16:57:13 UTC  

morning everyone

2016-12-29 16:57:29 UTC  

Hootie Hoo @tana

2016-12-29 16:57:34 UTC  

Morning tana

2016-12-29 16:57:35 UTC  

hey there

2016-12-29 16:57:44 UTC  

sup

2016-12-29 16:57:58 UTC  

not a whole lot. you

2016-12-29 16:59:29 UTC  

Shep- care to elaborate on what's wrong with art/music these days

2016-12-29 16:59:45 UTC  

Convo from last night

2016-12-29 17:00:10 UTC  

I was speaking about people who try to recreate or "revive" arts from right wing or reactionary perspective

2016-12-29 17:00:20 UTC  

Well, what people don't understand

2016-12-29 17:00:33 UTC  

Let's take for example, Nietzches criticism of Wagner as an example

2016-12-29 17:00:50 UTC  

For Nietzsche, going to a teather or Opera and listening to a tune of Wagner

2016-12-29 17:01:01 UTC  

was same thing as to me is turing on youtube and playing a song

2016-12-29 17:01:18 UTC  

People can't make a difference between technical means

2016-12-29 17:01:23 UTC  

And music itself

2016-12-29 17:01:36 UTC  

There is NOTHING "civilized" about Opera or Symphonies today

2016-12-29 17:01:43 UTC  

It's how people listened to music

2016-12-29 17:01:49 UTC  

To more sophisticated music that is

2016-12-29 17:02:08 UTC  

Because peasants had more simple music that could be played on balalaika and simple drums i guess

2016-12-29 17:02:22 UTC  

dobre utra!

2016-12-29 17:02:27 UTC  

But today, way to "revive" high culture isn't by returning to Symphonies and Operas

2016-12-29 17:02:36 UTC  

Because it's completely archaic

2016-12-29 17:02:39 UTC  

good morning

2016-12-29 17:02:50 UTC  

I mean i love Symphonies, i love classical music, i love all of that

2016-12-29 17:03:07 UTC  

But "highness" of that culture, and that music, isn't in the fact that they were orchestras

2016-12-29 17:03:11 UTC  

But in musical content itself

2016-12-29 17:03:42 UTC  

And people in those days, would judge them accordingly, because there was no other, inferior way of listening to multi-timbral type of music

2016-12-29 17:04:02 UTC  

Whatchyall talkin bout?

2016-12-29 17:04:04 UTC  

So someone could say that Tchaikovsky sucks, just as i would say today that a rock band or somebody sucks

2016-12-29 17:04:22 UTC  

And today to us, it seems completely outrageous how could anybody back then say that Tchaikovsky or Wagner suck

2016-12-29 17:04:50 UTC  

@RavishingRussian this:

HFT - Today at 11:59 AM
Shep- care to elaborate on what's wrong with art/music these days
Convo from last night

2016-12-29 17:05:20 UTC  

So you're arguing against cargo cult culture - it's not about the motions made but about the results as such

2016-12-29 17:05:22 UTC  

There is nothing "civilized" about Symphony as a medium, but people judge music performed by Symphonic orchestras by their "content"

2016-12-29 17:05:51 UTC  

The way back isn't, shortly put, in musical "reenactments" of 19th century, because that's what it genuinely is

2016-12-29 17:06:05 UTC  

People are reenacting the way people listened to music in 19th century

2016-12-29 17:06:28 UTC  

Which is OK if you want to feel how that felt, but is completely unecessary

2016-12-29 17:07:02 UTC  

Besides, we haven't really recovered our culture from ashes if we only listen to what we ALREADY made, instead of making new things

2016-12-29 17:07:33 UTC  

If our only way forward is "back to 19th century", that won't last long

2016-12-29 17:08:00 UTC  

@The Enlightened Shepherd

Besides, we haven't really recovered our culture from ashes if we only listen to what we ALREADY made, instead of making new things

==so true....

2016-12-29 17:08:53 UTC  

You could argue that current popular music is degenerate and we should turn back the time on thematic content and then retrace recent developments in a different way