Message from @>Cytos, de lieve goede synth

Discord ID: 467316242919981066


2018-07-13 12:52:45 UTC  

not exactly, as soon as the genetic material is combined the theoretical maximum IQ could be calculated, asuming perfect knowledge

2018-07-13 12:52:46 UTC  

have they accounted for this?

2018-07-13 12:53:42 UTC  

you mean the adoptive mother?

2018-07-13 12:53:46 UTC  

not the genetic one?

2018-07-13 12:53:47 UTC  

no

2018-07-13 12:54:24 UTC  

accounted for the effect of environment on the development of the children while in the womb

2018-07-13 12:55:10 UTC  

i doubt alcohol and paint chips are good for the IQ of a developing fetus

2018-07-13 12:55:44 UTC  

it was the same environment, on the same genetics, before they have had a chance to experience different stimuli, so they are effectivly nurtured equally till birth

2018-07-13 12:55:52 UTC  

grenade they control for the mother

2018-07-13 12:55:59 UTC  

okay

2018-07-13 12:56:22 UTC  

if they are social scientists worth their salt they would control for anything they can afford to control for

2018-07-13 12:56:27 UTC  

that oversight is not lost on people whove dedicated 10+ years of their lives in order to come up with this kind of data

2018-07-13 12:59:23 UTC  

lets see, there was the thingy about "show me the gene"

2018-07-13 12:59:56 UTC  

regardless of wether or not you even know what genes are, you can predict something that functions like genes exist based on reproduction results

2018-07-13 13:00:22 UTC  

hold on, let me finish on my previous point before you pivot

2018-07-13 13:00:46 UTC  

aite sure

2018-07-13 13:02:08 UTC  

Cytos you still failed to see my point. So let me phrase it this way. Take 2 twin pregnancies. One of a higher IQ mother, and one of a Lower IQ mother, now, hypothetically, take these 2 pregnancies and run them through 2 different timelines. One in which both mothers receive the best healthcare throughout the pregnancy, one in which they both drink. If there is a genetic component, then in both of those tests, the higher should, on average, remain higher, and the lower remain lower.

2018-07-13 13:02:18 UTC  

all i asked was, have they attempted to prove that

2018-07-13 13:06:18 UTC  

well not literally as that would involve multi dimentional observation and we are not quitte there yet i am afraid

2018-07-13 13:07:14 UTC  

however, on average if you have 2 similar IQ mothers and one drinks while pregnant the baby will have a lower IQ then the one where the mother does not drink while pregnant, on average

2018-07-13 13:07:54 UTC  

assuming they drink the same amount if you compare 2 sets of 2 mothers with similar IQs

2018-07-13 13:08:22 UTC  

where set A has 100IQ both but one drinks
and set B has a 110IQ both, but one drinks

2018-07-13 13:09:15 UTC  

if you compare these enough times, and they drink the same amount, on average the baby with the 110IQ parent will be on top in both the non drinking IQ comparison, and the only drinking IQ comparison

2018-07-13 13:09:20 UTC  

on average

2018-07-13 13:09:40 UTC  

as fetal alcohol syndrome is pretty well established at this point

2018-07-13 13:09:45 UTC  

thanks ireland!

2018-07-13 13:10:08 UTC  

I wonder if there's an ideology that advocates for a high IQ ethnostate

2018-07-13 13:10:31 UTC  

yes

2018-07-13 13:10:44 UTC  

the IQnostate is a well estabished thought experiment amoungst the alt right

2018-07-13 13:11:19 UTC  

it would calculate a worthyness of entrance based on your current IQ and your estimated IQ offspring using the regression to the mean phenomenon

2018-07-13 13:13:01 UTC  

(regression to the mean means that even though you might be exceptional in a specific area, like for example IQ but not ONLY IQ, you will not guarantee pass that on to your child, as there is the other partners genes to consider)

2018-07-13 13:13:03 UTC  

high iq ethnostate is the most common behavural trait based ethnostate

2018-07-13 13:13:23 UTC  

this means that if for example a very tall person is more likely then a averagely tall person to have a taller child

2018-07-13 13:13:31 UTC  

but lets say he is exceptionally tall

2018-07-13 13:14:02 UTC  

the odds that his child is exceptionally tall too is higher, but much more likely it will be better then average, but not as exceptionally so

2018-07-13 13:14:44 UTC  

this is because you pass on and posses genes not expressed in you that might be expressed in your offspring, as well as your child not being your exact same genetic materia

2018-07-13 13:14:50 UTC  

unless you be clonin'

2018-07-13 13:15:02 UTC  

but even still then

2018-07-13 13:15:16 UTC  

genes express themselves differenly based on environment after all

2018-07-13 13:15:30 UTC  

which is partially why less empoverished children tend to have higher Iqs

2018-07-13 13:18:51 UTC  

personally i dont think inteligence is omniimportant