Message from @wacka

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2018-07-14 16:04:39 UTC  

its just "I dont have proof" ... and stops there

2018-07-14 16:05:13 UTC  

and that you thus don't believe there is one

If you have no proof but still believe there is one, you're just an average theist

2018-07-14 16:05:20 UTC  

You can simply not believe in any god, and be an atheist.

2018-07-14 16:05:29 UTC  

to say "there is absolutely no god" means you beleive that to be true... therefore you cannot be without belief

2018-07-14 16:05:41 UTC  

Anyone here agree with the term/concept Anti-theist?

2018-07-14 16:05:49 UTC  

Yes

2018-07-14 16:05:52 UTC  

and if you don't believe that,

Then you don't know, hence you are categorised as Agnostic

2018-07-14 16:05:54 UTC  

without beleif means you dont believe either way

2018-07-14 16:06:01 UTC  

I would say I'm an Anti-theist.

2018-07-14 16:06:03 UTC  

its more like you dont really care

2018-07-14 16:06:27 UTC  

Not caring is Atheistic yes.

2018-07-14 16:06:33 UTC  

Anti-theist, in my understanding, would mean you believe in the abolishment of theism.

2018-07-14 16:06:54 UTC  

You can believe in God and believe that the proof of his existance is beyond human understanding.

2018-07-14 16:06:55 UTC  

Nihilist are atheistic as well.

2018-07-14 16:06:59 UTC  

Generally.

2018-07-14 16:07:03 UTC  

Anti-theist according to Christopher Hitchens, the rejection of god, AND that you wish there isn't one even if there actually is one

2018-07-14 16:07:03 UTC  

Aka "you just believe"

2018-07-14 16:07:05 UTC  

Let's break down etymology here...

2018-07-14 16:07:25 UTC  

A~theism is 'Without Theism' or Without theology.

2018-07-14 16:07:28 UTC  

@RyeNorth Correct I think that belief in god is a negative in the world.

2018-07-14 16:07:40 UTC  

yeah I would say theres
theist: 100% believe its real
Anti-theist = 100% believe its false
Atheist - 100% dont care either way

2018-07-14 16:07:55 UTC  

that last one is Agnostic

2018-07-14 16:08:12 UTC  

Anti-theist are a sub category of Atheists.

2018-07-14 16:08:13 UTC  

A~gnostic means 'Without Knowledge'

2018-07-14 16:08:18 UTC  

or rather 100% dont beleive either .. because you are "without belief"

2018-07-14 16:08:43 UTC  

@Dr.Wol No agnostic means they don't know, or are unsure of it.

2018-07-14 16:08:52 UTC  

Anti-theists appose theism

2018-07-14 16:08:59 UTC  

Right

2018-07-14 16:09:01 UTC  

But are a subcategory of atheist

2018-07-14 16:09:06 UTC  

Yes

2018-07-14 16:09:08 UTC  

Anti would mean in opposition

2018-07-14 16:09:54 UTC  

It's where you get your militant athiests who seem hell bent on attacking the followers of a religion as well as the relation.

2018-07-14 16:09:55 UTC  

thats what they say,

But thats cuz people overlap definitions

You can believe / not believe

You can think theres proof / no proof

If we go by proof, we're all agnostic

If we go by belief, Agnostics are just pussying out by not admitting which one they believe

2018-07-14 16:09:56 UTC  

athiest would mean without beleif - anti-theist would require a belief .. they are opposites

2018-07-14 16:11:00 UTC  

theist and anti-theist are on one side... atheist are on the other

2018-07-14 16:11:14 UTC  

Fine if you want to go with that, @Dr.Wol I'm okay with it, but there is a distiction between atheism and agnostics

2018-07-14 16:11:27 UTC  

So, if someone asks you, Do you believe in God?
```Absolutely! = Theist
I'm not sure = Agnostic
Absolutely not = Athiest
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GET THAT CROSS AWAY FROM ME = Vampire
Also likely anti-theists```

2018-07-14 16:11:41 UTC  

Atheist means without god

2018-07-14 16:11:53 UTC  

there is, Agnostics cop out
Atheists reject the existance of god (Cuz they don't believe in one)

2018-07-14 16:11:59 UTC  

no it doesnt

2018-07-14 16:12:04 UTC  

it means without beleif