the Secular civilisation,

We took the good, and dropped the bad

When n end-user claims local account on the PC password has been changed and they think I would know about it even though I have not touched the computer for months

The problem is people replacing those values with a new dogma.

right, but the values are not soloy Christian in origin

Which is my problem

its "Judeo-christian" 😉

Judo Christian!! :D

Karate-faithful

It's based on enlightenment values, which is more based on ancient Greek philosophy than Christian values. @missdanger

It's like "hey look, at set of values that existed before these religions, and in areas outside these religions, but let's only attribute them to these religions"

Ultimately, I disagree vehemently with principles of Christianity and Judaism, but I respect that they are fundamentally better than chaos.

Like I said, it's word games. Not technically wrong, but a bit misleading if you are not paying attention

We just did the roman thing,

We looked at other civilisations, hand picked things we liked, and used them for our own

we "Appropriated" cultural values we approved of 😄

thats the whole trick right? learn, adapt, improve or somethin?

What are you guys talking about

God

Oh

and religion

treachery

Oooh

and the great river!

denial?

The Invisible Hand

no, not denial

@RyeNorth Those aren't and weren't the only options even when they were developed.

never

oh wait, no that's a market term

There wouldn't be a university system without the church and monastism

Is stealing from other religions and then killing or convert everyone from that religion, then label all remaining followers as devil worshipers a Christian value?

Um

Nope

It is actually

we are animals what do you expect?

it is an original christian value

Atleast not anymore

I feel like America doesn't that often in a form or another.

It's a bit pointless to talking about it if the majority of the followers have abandoned it

Its what they did to the roman empire

They took all their stuff, and remoddled their temples into churches,
Killed all pagans

and everyone who isn't christian is a heathen

"hey look, a sovereign happy nation who happens to be a monarchy.... Let's annex it!"

@Dennafen I think that's valid, but it's also evident that atheists aren't returning intellectually to reconsider the path. What we're facing is the replacement of Christian dogma with Intersectional dogma

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