Message from @CreativeRealms

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2018-07-19 16:38:33 UTC  

I didn't say "if he was your child"

2018-07-19 16:38:52 UTC  

we were talking about the right to abort your child

2018-07-19 16:39:06 UTC  

Yes, and I asked about the moral aspect, not legal

2018-07-19 16:39:30 UTC  

there is no moral aspect to abortion

2018-07-19 16:39:51 UTC  

I disagree with you there

2018-07-19 16:39:52 UTC  

No? So right up until birth you should be able to turn it into slurry?

2018-07-19 16:40:12 UTC  

There is, but Natural Selection is way more important imo

2018-07-19 16:40:21 UTC  

I never said that,

theres a difference between right/wrong and morality

2018-07-19 16:40:35 UTC  

No, morality is a value judgement of right and wrong

2018-07-19 16:40:38 UTC  

no its not

2018-07-19 16:40:47 UTC  

Then what is morality?

2018-07-19 16:41:11 UTC  

Morality is a personal compass to say "i find this acceptable" or not

I find abortion morally acceptable, but still wrong to just do whilley nillely

2018-07-19 16:41:26 UTC  

No, it's not basic acceptability

2018-07-19 16:41:38 UTC  

Muslims find it morally acceptable to rape women who dress provocatively

2018-07-19 16:41:42 UTC  

You can accept something but have it grate against your moral compass

2018-07-19 16:41:49 UTC  

Christians used to find it morally acceptable to kill unbelievers

2018-07-19 16:42:31 UTC  

Wasn't that against the teachings of Jesus?

2018-07-19 16:42:50 UTC  

the bible contradicts itself several times, i'm sure at some point in the book it is against it

2018-07-19 16:43:00 UTC  

You can think something is wrong (same as morally wrong) and still deem it acceptable

2018-07-19 16:43:01 UTC  

Fwiw "morality

NOUN

mass noun

1Principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour."

2018-07-19 16:43:12 UTC  

So wouldn't it be argued that it wasn't moral for them to do so?

2018-07-19 16:43:35 UTC  

They just created their own morality.

2018-07-19 16:44:15 UTC  

They probably thought of it as if you don't follow Christianity then you are suffering and death would be the preferable option.

2018-07-19 16:44:17 UTC  

Morality can be a body of standards or principles derived from a code of conduct from a particular philosophy, religion or culture, or it can derive from a standard that a person believes should be universal. Morality may also be specifically synonymous with "goodness" or "rightness".

2018-07-19 16:44:35 UTC  

@.B I don't see why eugenics would be a good moral standard tbh

2018-07-19 16:45:00 UTC  

its a body of standards

People decide what is right or wrong based on their own morals

Hence its subjective, so a person can not actively state what is right or wrong, because everyone has a different take on things

2018-07-19 16:45:27 UTC  

That is, again, not what you argued lol

2018-07-19 16:45:42 UTC  

yes it is 😮

2018-07-19 16:46:02 UTC  

its a personal system for what you find acceptable

2018-07-19 16:46:06 UTC  

No, you said there's a difference between morality and "right and wrong"

2018-07-19 16:46:15 UTC  

there is

2018-07-19 16:46:16 UTC  

There isn't, by definition

2018-07-19 16:46:29 UTC  

what you consider right and wrong, are different from my definitions

2018-07-19 16:46:46 UTC  

therefore, what you think is moral

I might not find it so

2018-07-19 16:46:46 UTC  

You're playing obtuse semantic games that just don't work

2018-07-19 16:46:55 UTC  

maybe i'm just explaining it poorly 😦

2018-07-19 16:46:58 UTC  

We're talking about what you find right and wrong

2018-07-19 16:47:01 UTC  

@Beemann it isnt. But as a species it makes sense. We already have too many aspects in our society where we increase the number of people that shouldn't be reproducing anyway and in other regular environments wouldn't survive.

2018-07-19 16:47:12 UTC  

And your justification for it

2018-07-19 16:47:24 UTC  

So if morality is subjective then can it be said that you can't argue if abortion is illegal since no one can be right or wrong about it?

2018-07-19 16:47:38 UTC  

yes