Message from @Graylan | gray00

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2018-07-23 04:12:51 UTC  

Anyways, I'm off to sleep for the night

2018-07-23 04:58:15 UTC  

I've been thinking about communism, and how communists say real communism hasn't ever been tried

2018-07-23 04:58:35 UTC  

Because all previous communist regimes were under an authoritarian state

2018-07-23 04:59:19 UTC  

But what I'm confused about, is how exactly can communism be achieved without a authoritarian state in the first place

2018-07-23 04:59:45 UTC  

You still have to seize the means of production from those who have to

2018-07-23 04:59:51 UTC  

Take back private property

2018-07-23 04:59:57 UTC  

They assume people will willing give it up

2018-07-23 05:00:02 UTC  

And not everyone is going to give it up

2018-07-23 05:00:07 UTC  

Lol ditto

2018-07-23 05:00:08 UTC  

They project

2018-07-23 05:00:18 UTC  

Ah yes I have thought about this too

2018-07-23 05:00:21 UTC  

They think they wont be the ones doing it

2018-07-23 05:00:34 UTC  

Theres a self described socalist in another server who has provided some insight

2018-07-23 05:00:36 UTC  

They think the "RIch" will be the ones getting it taken away

2018-07-23 05:00:39 UTC  

Both helpful and distrubing

2018-07-23 05:00:39 UTC  

revan later

2018-07-23 05:00:57 UTC  

Look how they think increasing taxes on companies would punish the CEOs when it punishes the workers who lose their jobs

2018-07-23 05:01:07 UTC  

Maybe it isn't true that real communism has never been tried

2018-07-23 05:01:26 UTC  

Maybe it's just that communism can only exists in the forms of Maoism and stalinism

2018-07-23 05:01:28 UTC  

no it been tried

2018-07-23 05:01:31 UTC  

it shit

2018-07-23 05:01:31 UTC  

I mean, they use europe as "true communism"

2018-07-23 05:01:32 UTC  

In example, they ideal way to bring about socialism would be through democratizing the workplaces.

2018-07-23 05:01:43 UTC  

In his mind, the end goal is social ownership of workplaces and thats it.

2018-07-23 05:01:44 UTC  

Like look, this is what a bit does, imagine the good when its full commie

2018-07-23 05:01:51 UTC  

Blockchains could solve a lot of govt corruption and stuff

2018-07-23 05:02:20 UTC  

main reason being you cant change the record unless u undo time

2018-07-23 05:02:27 UTC  

the good ones at least

2018-07-23 05:02:50 UTC  

Democratizing the workplaces, huh

2018-07-23 05:02:55 UTC  

No more bosses?

2018-07-23 05:02:58 UTC  

Correct

2018-07-23 05:03:05 UTC  

I can't imagine that going very well

2018-07-23 05:03:15 UTC  

already happened via steem cuz we have voting

2018-07-23 05:03:18 UTC  

Because the most effective person isnt the person people would like

2018-07-23 05:03:19 UTC  

Workers have a stake in the compnay and they form comitees to make decisions.

2018-07-23 05:03:24 UTC  

no 3rd party either you can earn

2018-07-23 05:03:32 UTC  

Like someone who will work you to the bone

2018-07-23 05:03:36 UTC  

Most of the workers in any company aren't educated about what helps the company

2018-07-23 05:03:37 UTC  

You want the guy whos easy on everyone

2018-07-23 05:03:40 UTC  

Give alot of benefits

2018-07-23 05:03:47 UTC  

Like dems and the US