advancing in the social hierarchy

I hate when people say that others only do good because they have something to gain from it whether something observable or not

Well you may hate it

But unfortunately, it's true

@Schedrevka the definition of good can be anything

Survival is not good or bad

Its either that the person has something to gain

Or that the person is indoctrinated into an ideology

everything we do in life iss all about survival , this is the basic foundation of living and life

So you really believe that no one ever goes out of their way to do something for others purely by their own choice to try and make the world a better place, and gets nothing out of it not even good feelings?

Well, I wouldn't say no one.

There's definitely cases where a person acts due to a stead belief in a list of morale

But I highly doubt that's the case with over 99.9%

And of course, it doesn't diminish the value of what they did

A person may join the army to escape jail

But it doesn't erase the fact that they served in the military

For an example of a good act done self lessly, an example that was inspiring to me was Bret Weinstein

Baffles me why more people don't follow that example.

Fear

In a frat party, his colleagues got a bunch of prostitutes over

It skyrocketed Peterson into another dimension.

And simulated rape on them with cucumbers

Bret reported it multiple times

Wrote several articles and an editorial

It resulted in him gaining a ton of enemies, losing a lot of his friends

There was no foreseeable value I see so far in him doing so

He took the people who did it, to court

And got them suspended

All done selflessly

Another example I like, is Gandhi in Champaran

There was a village called Champaran, a very fertile land

Under the East India company, the farmers were forced to grow indigo on their farms

But, when Germany made synthetic indigo

The farm grown, organic indigo dropped a lot in value

Resulted in no one buying the farmers' crops

And a lot of them starting to starve since the meagre amount of money they earned was spent in taxes

Honesty pays but it pays slowly.

Same Intellectual Dark Web Bret?

They asked for Gandhi's help

@GingaBomber Yes

I didnt hear of the prostitute thing