give or take cloths or medicine

@Grenade123 In short "Anything my parents paid for me is a human right"

no, wol. "under our system other people would be okay with being garbagemen despite being paid the same as me because i put the same amount of hours in"

@Dan V technically shelter is a human need, so they are not too far off base with wanting it to be a right

Internet is a human right

well yes Falko

Because they believe in the rule of 10 hours of being an artist is equal to 10 hours of being a garbageman

tbh, 🤔 considering the "art" these people put out, I can see the resemblence

expose to the elements is not exactly conducive to living long

and by long, i mean over a year

if anything, garbagemen should be paid more than artists in socialism 🤔 atleast garbagemen are productive in that sense

even the homeless find shelter

@Grenade123 yeah but you need someone to build the house/shelter. Do you force people to build those shelters? What if there's no more land?

i said not too far off

and what standard of housing?

didn't say perfect

and what if there is no more land

use boats

Everyone gets the minimum housing,

If you want more, you can add it

But when you add it, you then are "richer" than others, so must share that new part of your house with everyone

like QM2 😄

that is a problem if you don't like the idea of throwing someone out into the cold in winter knowing full well they will most likely die

people tend to see that as akin to murder sometimes

pesky morals

But no one is stopping you from housing that person yourself

One time, I crushed a crab with my fist on the beach.

well, depends. Sometimes there is

homeless shelter are already a thing, why not expand that and charity, why make gov do it though. Not to mention many of the people not going to shelter choose not to

I'm late to this conversation but

@Grenade123 how so? Genuinely curious

Are you advocating for growing government ANYTHING?

Have you ever been to the DMV?

we discussing the communism

I can honestly say that I have never been to the Department of Motor Vehicles

Commies?!

People don't grasp that the government has no funding aside from taxes, to them its just "Government has money, let them take care of the homeless, and if they need more money, well theres rich people who own 99% who you can get it from"

LEMME AT EM

@Dan V i said sometimes. city ordinances, property owners. IF you fully own the land, then not really anyone.

**LEMME AT EM**

but, do you really own your land in any place you need to pay taxes?

to be honest, that is a different argument. @ExceptionalFeather. One over who is better at providing for the need. and i would agree charity does it better

ultimately you can only own rights to land

Nah, I guess not. You rent the land from the government by paying taxes

The government can go POUND SAND, that's my motto.