so either give them a drill or a gun

Shorter work weeks

This whole conversation is something that should be happening as part of the national political dialogue. Instead we get "free healthcare, free university, free housing, free this, free that".

Thats because its more appealing

"free"

"You get another job" sounds awful compared to

"You get free housing and education"

thats why the Universal Basic Income is such a non-debate

people all talk about it

No one debates about the truth which is that its unsustainable

its all just wishful thinking to sway the guillible masses

Certainly even if necessary the conditions are way off from now

UBI can't work, but I think negative income tax is worth exploring.

dafuq is negative income tax?

Work is still required; it's just that your income is augmented.

so just higher wages?

Or cutting the tax you have to pay to SS?

Let's say that $35k is deemed subsistence income, and that you have a labor income of $25k. You would receive monthly tax credits totaling $10k.

Rather negative income would probably take for SS then givre you money from a different pool

SS is a different beast.

It shouldn't exist.

Ponzi scheme.

so subsidiaries?

Subsidies?

yes

I guess.

English not my 1st Language 😛

Is Federal government funding this?

Ideally this would be state level.

But I don't know if that would work.

Subsidies don't work, the netherlands have them,

The people become convinced they're entitled to the money, as a bonus

And then complain their regular income is too low, completely forgetting they're getting extra money already

I don't know if any of this would work.

Do you offer this to people who choose to live in expensive areas?

The subsistence level wouldn't really permit them to survive there, but sure.

This isn't meant to insulate people from bad decisions.

I don't know if this would work, but I think it would be a better solution than UBI or the free market forcing a return to feudalism.

free market wouldn't create feudalism

There's nothing about a free market that requires a middle class.

Well if they would be able to comfortably live somewhere cheaper at 25k what's to stop them from spending an extra 10k just to have a more expesive lifestyle, ie. Living in the city

you generate the middle class, by having more work than workers

The work is automated.

so companies are forced to pay more for the better people

There isn't more work than workers.