Message from @Dr.Wol
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Yes, and it's not a puzzle, it's not engaging design
LON LON MILK BRO
"Oh look there's an eye above the door I need to get through" is a tutorial
Not a puzzle, not good gameplay
BEST GAMEPLAY EVVVEEEERR REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEee
And multiple areas in OOT are wholly reliant on this kind of design
lots of games have this bread and butter formula though
its simplified cuz its a hueg game for its time
But you'll find just about any game has the Lock and Key mechanic
>huge for its time
The overall size of the gameplay area is up to the developers, further games with an open concept design predate OOT by years
well it seemed huge, but then Link pulled out the masters sword and the world just shrunk 😛
Making your game Xbox huge is not an excuse to have poor gameplay
Also if you look at say... Metroid
A lot of those games have locks for new regions, but the lock isn't the gameplay
doom
There are combat encounters in those same places. There's larger areas of traversal. You will not get a "puzzle room" like in OOT, where it's just "find the lock"
Also many of the "for its time" arguments fall flat when you look at 98's lineup
water temple
Is one dungeon
nah, thats not the lock/key system though,
In the Deku Tree sure, in the tutorial bit
But later on most of those puzzles are speed-plays, where you have to do events timed
Water Temple, Spirit Temple, Shadow Temple, Forest Temple
Forest Temple is a lot of "find the eye" shit
well, Forest Temple is where you get your bow to do it
so obviously in order to make it lock-and-key
They need to guide you to the bow first
and then you get access to the otehr places
You need a tutorial to use not-the-slingshot?
you can't use the slingshot as adult link
Yes, that's the reason why the bow exisrs
To be the adult slingshot
What game does it better in your opinion?
yes, so in order to not have you just walk free around the temple, half of it is barred by a simple system that requires you to find the bow first
wat about majoras mask ?
i neva played dat one
Super Metroid, System Shock
too much song of time
:p
I didn't bother with MM
But it seems like the FF6 of Zelda
IE it's the "safe" favourite if you don't want to look like you're following a trend :^)
Which is not to say it has no genuine fans