Message from @Dr.Wol

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2018-08-19 20:19:38 UTC  

BEST GAMEPLAY EVVVEEEERR REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEee

2018-08-19 20:19:52 UTC  

And multiple areas in OOT are wholly reliant on this kind of design

2018-08-19 20:20:12 UTC  

lots of games have this bread and butter formula though

2018-08-19 20:20:13 UTC  

its simplified cuz its a hueg game for its time

But you'll find just about any game has the Lock and Key mechanic

2018-08-19 20:20:22 UTC  

>huge for its time

2018-08-19 20:20:55 UTC  

The overall size of the gameplay area is up to the developers, further games with an open concept design predate OOT by years

2018-08-19 20:20:59 UTC  

well it seemed huge, but then Link pulled out the masters sword and the world just shrunk 😛

2018-08-19 20:21:13 UTC  

Making your game Xbox huge is not an excuse to have poor gameplay

2018-08-19 20:21:22 UTC  

Also if you look at say... Metroid

2018-08-19 20:21:34 UTC  

A lot of those games have locks for new regions, but the lock isn't the gameplay

2018-08-19 20:21:52 UTC  

doom

2018-08-19 20:22:08 UTC  

There are combat encounters in those same places. There's larger areas of traversal. You will not get a "puzzle room" like in OOT, where it's just "find the lock"

2018-08-19 20:22:52 UTC  

Also many of the "for its time" arguments fall flat when you look at 98's lineup

2018-08-19 20:22:59 UTC  

water temple

2018-08-19 20:23:16 UTC  

Is one dungeon

2018-08-19 20:23:17 UTC  

nah, thats not the lock/key system though,

In the Deku Tree sure, in the tutorial bit

But later on most of those puzzles are speed-plays, where you have to do events timed

2018-08-19 20:23:41 UTC  

Water Temple, Spirit Temple, Shadow Temple, Forest Temple

2018-08-19 20:24:01 UTC  

Forest Temple is a lot of "find the eye" shit

2018-08-19 20:24:21 UTC  

well, Forest Temple is where you get your bow to do it

2018-08-19 20:24:32 UTC  

so obviously in order to make it lock-and-key

They need to guide you to the bow first

2018-08-19 20:24:36 UTC  

and then you get access to the otehr places

2018-08-19 20:24:49 UTC  

You need a tutorial to use not-the-slingshot?

2018-08-19 20:24:59 UTC  

you can't use the slingshot as adult link

2018-08-19 20:25:12 UTC  

Yes, that's the reason why the bow exisrs

2018-08-19 20:25:20 UTC  

To be the adult slingshot

2018-08-19 20:25:23 UTC  

What game does it better in your opinion?

2018-08-19 20:25:39 UTC  

yes, so in order to not have you just walk free around the temple, half of it is barred by a simple system that requires you to find the bow first

2018-08-19 20:25:43 UTC  

wat about majoras mask ?

2018-08-19 20:25:50 UTC  

i neva played dat one

2018-08-19 20:25:53 UTC  

Super Metroid, System Shock

2018-08-19 20:25:54 UTC  

too much song of time

2018-08-19 20:25:55 UTC  

:p

2018-08-19 20:26:02 UTC  

I didn't bother with MM

2018-08-19 20:26:11 UTC  

But it seems like the FF6 of Zelda

2018-08-19 20:26:39 UTC  

IE it's the "safe" favourite if you don't want to look like you're following a trend :^)

2018-08-19 20:27:03 UTC  

Which is not to say it has no genuine fans

2018-08-19 20:27:19 UTC  

But it's like the defacto second pick and I find the reasons often rather lazy

2018-08-19 20:27:28 UTC  

Yeah hard to beat Super Metroid

2018-08-19 20:27:30 UTC  

I hav dis

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463054787336732683/480835223563534336/image0.jpg

2018-08-19 20:27:48 UTC  

Neat

2018-08-19 20:28:05 UTC  

i should play it ....