Message from @Blackhawk342

Discord ID: 481648717368131585


2018-08-22 02:17:22 UTC  

It's not as idyllic as people think.

2018-08-22 02:17:26 UTC  

we just enter a less stable version of the world?

2018-08-22 02:17:40 UTC  

That's not how it was sold in the 'naughts.

2018-08-22 02:17:42 UTC  

But basically.

2018-08-22 02:17:53 UTC  

I think the way to go is smaller more fragmented organizations kept together by larger deals. Sort of like how the US was supposed to go originally

2018-08-22 02:18:02 UTC  

Rule on as local a level as you can

2018-08-22 02:18:19 UTC  

With higher tiers existing to solve less manageable problems

2018-08-22 02:18:25 UTC  

I think that's part of the solution. But I also think at some level you have to be able to unify into something greater.

It's a delicate act.

2018-08-22 02:18:33 UTC  

Most social problems want local solutions.

2018-08-22 02:18:48 UTC  

But economic and military ones tend towards global ones.

2018-08-22 02:18:54 UTC  

I don't think you can get people on opposite sides of the continent to unite indefinitely

2018-08-22 02:19:01 UTC  

what are somer fucked up things democrats supporter throughout history

2018-08-22 02:19:01 UTC  

I think you can.

2018-08-22 02:19:06 UTC  

slavery, KKK

2018-08-22 02:19:07 UTC  

what else

2018-08-22 02:19:18 UTC  

There was that widespread lie about johnson

2018-08-22 02:19:30 UTC  

"well have those niggers voting democrat for the next two hundred years"

2018-08-22 02:19:33 UTC  

jim crow?

2018-08-22 02:19:50 UTC  

The history of the South until the 70s.

2018-08-22 02:20:00 UTC  

That's the ones people tend to.

2018-08-22 02:20:02 UTC  

but his great society program was a step back for most african american communities

2018-08-22 02:20:08 UTC  

they have anything to do with the mccarthy era?

2018-08-22 02:20:12 UTC  

Bill Clinton was roiled by scandals his entire presidency.

2018-08-22 02:20:19 UTC  

Many people argue that it incentivized single motherhood

2018-08-22 02:20:39 UTC  

Debatable if this is "bad" but Wilson promised not to get into WWI. Did it anyway.

2018-08-22 02:20:42 UTC  

See i know not everyone agrees on this and while i think its important to acknowledge the Democrats past, they had a paradigm shift during the Nixon presidency in which the dixiecrats left to the republicans due to platform change in favor of civil rights

2018-08-22 02:21:12 UTC  

I think the real breaker was around Reagan.

2018-08-22 02:21:13 UTC  

among other reasons

2018-08-22 02:21:20 UTC  

A bit later than all the civil rights stuff.

2018-08-22 02:21:24 UTC  

yea that was another paradigm

2018-08-22 02:21:26 UTC  

And a fundamentally different fight.

2018-08-22 02:21:46 UTC  

Vietnam really rewrote everything.

2018-08-22 02:22:03 UTC  

both parties have changed significantly in a very short amount of time tbh

2018-08-22 02:22:13 UTC  

You have to go up to the 60s as pre-Vietnam and civil rights and then after Nixon as post-Vietnam.

2018-08-22 02:22:22 UTC  

due to just how volatile post WWII was

2018-08-22 02:22:45 UTC  

The stuff people worried about before and after and the factions and things were radically changed.

2018-08-22 02:23:04 UTC  

TBH, I tend to divide modern politics as post and pre-Afganistan.

2018-08-22 02:23:06 UTC  

The biggest problem socially wise that the parties are facing is Identity Politics

2018-08-22 02:23:14 UTC  

it is inherently regressive

2018-08-22 02:23:20 UTC  

That's bigger than the parties though.

2018-08-22 02:23:25 UTC  

It's a huge social problem.