but his great society program was a step back for most african american communities

they have anything to do with the mccarthy era?

Bill Clinton was roiled by scandals his entire presidency.

Many people argue that it incentivized single motherhood

Debatable if this is "bad" but Wilson promised not to get into WWI. Did it anyway.

See i know not everyone agrees on this and while i think its important to acknowledge the Democrats past, they had a paradigm shift during the Nixon presidency in which the dixiecrats left to the republicans due to platform change in favor of civil rights

I think the real breaker was around Reagan.

among other reasons

A bit later than all the civil rights stuff.

yea that was another paradigm

And a fundamentally different fight.

Vietnam really rewrote everything.

both parties have changed significantly in a very short amount of time tbh

You have to go up to the 60s as pre-Vietnam and civil rights and then after Nixon as post-Vietnam.

due to just how volatile post WWII was

The stuff people worried about before and after and the factions and things were radically changed.

TBH, I tend to divide modern politics as post and pre-Afganistan.

The biggest problem socially wise that the parties are facing is Identity Politics

it is inherently regressive

That's bigger than the parties though.

It's a huge social problem.

This is what happens whenever you make progress.

yea but they are a platform for it

A backlash in the opposite direction occurs

The Democrats are receptive to the new academic left. Which is all IDPol.

yea we are in the middle of a paradigm shift i think

"The American Brahmins" as I've heard it called.

I should say. I really dislike the terms 'right side of history" "progressive" and "regressive" it's too easy to make these things mean whatever you want.

I think IDPol will ultimately have to change to be more receptive to everyone

if it hopes to survive the paradigm

i use regressive in regards to IDPol as pushed by both the alt-left and alt-right to justify their racism

I think IDPol may not necessarily be inherently insidious but can easily be used as such

Going back to Tim's question

The Right will say that The Great Society really destroyed the Country.

The Moynihan Report really mirrors modern discourse well.

I use regressive on both sides to refer to any reverse in what social progress we have ACTUALLY achieved

Its not that we dont need more ACTUAL progress, its that we seem to be trying to go about it in such a way that the reverse is occuring, just from a different "perspective"

idk im ultimately a solutions guy, and i dont think IDPol is a viable way to reach said solutions

@Timcast Any particular areas you had in mind with respect to the Democrats doing messed up stuff?

no im good

uhhhh

its fake