Message from @Lagomaster24

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2018-08-22 02:19:01 UTC  

I think you can.

2018-08-22 02:19:06 UTC  

slavery, KKK

2018-08-22 02:19:07 UTC  

what else

2018-08-22 02:19:18 UTC  

There was that widespread lie about johnson

2018-08-22 02:19:30 UTC  

"well have those niggers voting democrat for the next two hundred years"

2018-08-22 02:19:33 UTC  

jim crow?

2018-08-22 02:19:50 UTC  

The history of the South until the 70s.

2018-08-22 02:20:00 UTC  

That's the ones people tend to.

2018-08-22 02:20:02 UTC  

but his great society program was a step back for most african american communities

2018-08-22 02:20:08 UTC  

they have anything to do with the mccarthy era?

2018-08-22 02:20:12 UTC  

Bill Clinton was roiled by scandals his entire presidency.

2018-08-22 02:20:19 UTC  

Many people argue that it incentivized single motherhood

2018-08-22 02:20:39 UTC  

Debatable if this is "bad" but Wilson promised not to get into WWI. Did it anyway.

2018-08-22 02:20:42 UTC  

See i know not everyone agrees on this and while i think its important to acknowledge the Democrats past, they had a paradigm shift during the Nixon presidency in which the dixiecrats left to the republicans due to platform change in favor of civil rights

2018-08-22 02:21:12 UTC  

I think the real breaker was around Reagan.

2018-08-22 02:21:13 UTC  

among other reasons

2018-08-22 02:21:20 UTC  

A bit later than all the civil rights stuff.

2018-08-22 02:21:24 UTC  

yea that was another paradigm

2018-08-22 02:21:26 UTC  

And a fundamentally different fight.

2018-08-22 02:21:46 UTC  

Vietnam really rewrote everything.

2018-08-22 02:22:03 UTC  

both parties have changed significantly in a very short amount of time tbh

2018-08-22 02:22:13 UTC  

You have to go up to the 60s as pre-Vietnam and civil rights and then after Nixon as post-Vietnam.

2018-08-22 02:22:22 UTC  

due to just how volatile post WWII was

2018-08-22 02:22:45 UTC  

The stuff people worried about before and after and the factions and things were radically changed.

2018-08-22 02:23:04 UTC  

TBH, I tend to divide modern politics as post and pre-Afganistan.

2018-08-22 02:23:06 UTC  

The biggest problem socially wise that the parties are facing is Identity Politics

2018-08-22 02:23:14 UTC  

it is inherently regressive

2018-08-22 02:23:20 UTC  

That's bigger than the parties though.

2018-08-22 02:23:25 UTC  

It's a huge social problem.

2018-08-22 02:23:27 UTC  

This is what happens whenever you make progress.

2018-08-22 02:23:41 UTC  

yea but they are a platform for it

2018-08-22 02:23:42 UTC  

A backlash in the opposite direction occurs

2018-08-22 02:23:53 UTC  

The Democrats are receptive to the new academic left. Which is all IDPol.

2018-08-22 02:24:06 UTC  

yea we are in the middle of a paradigm shift i think

2018-08-22 02:24:06 UTC  

"The American Brahmins" as I've heard it called.

2018-08-22 02:24:48 UTC  

I should say. I really dislike the terms 'right side of history" "progressive" and "regressive" it's too easy to make these things mean whatever you want.

2018-08-22 02:25:02 UTC  

I think IDPol will ultimately have to change to be more receptive to everyone

2018-08-22 02:25:11 UTC  

if it hopes to survive the paradigm

2018-08-22 02:25:55 UTC  

i use regressive in regards to IDPol as pushed by both the alt-left and alt-right to justify their racism

2018-08-22 02:26:37 UTC  

I think IDPol may not necessarily be inherently insidious but can easily be used as such

2018-08-22 02:27:36 UTC  

Going back to Tim's question

The Right will say that The Great Society really destroyed the Country.

The Moynihan Report really mirrors modern discourse well.