Message from @pratel
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I think the real breaker was around Reagan.
among other reasons
A bit later than all the civil rights stuff.
yea that was another paradigm
And a fundamentally different fight.
Vietnam really rewrote everything.
both parties have changed significantly in a very short amount of time tbh
You have to go up to the 60s as pre-Vietnam and civil rights and then after Nixon as post-Vietnam.
due to just how volatile post WWII was
The stuff people worried about before and after and the factions and things were radically changed.
TBH, I tend to divide modern politics as post and pre-Afganistan.
The biggest problem socially wise that the parties are facing is Identity Politics
it is inherently regressive
That's bigger than the parties though.
It's a huge social problem.
This is what happens whenever you make progress.
yea but they are a platform for it
A backlash in the opposite direction occurs
The Democrats are receptive to the new academic left. Which is all IDPol.
yea we are in the middle of a paradigm shift i think
I should say. I really dislike the terms 'right side of history" "progressive" and "regressive" it's too easy to make these things mean whatever you want.
I think IDPol will ultimately have to change to be more receptive to everyone
if it hopes to survive the paradigm
i use regressive in regards to IDPol as pushed by both the alt-left and alt-right to justify their racism
I think IDPol may not necessarily be inherently insidious but can easily be used as such
Going back to Tim's question
The Right will say that The Great Society really destroyed the Country.
The Moynihan Report really mirrors modern discourse well.
I use regressive on both sides to refer to any reverse in what social progress we have ACTUALLY achieved
Its not that we dont need more ACTUAL progress, its that we seem to be trying to go about it in such a way that the reverse is occuring, just from a different "perspective"
idk im ultimately a solutions guy, and i dont think IDPol is a viable way to reach said solutions
@Timcast Any particular areas you had in mind with respect to the Democrats doing messed up stuff?
no im good
uhhhh
its fake
lmao
ok that makes sense
I know shes made a sport out of PR blunders but that would be a step up
I was going to say. It looked fake. But could almost be real. Had she not said "It's time for us to come home" and then brought up reparations or something I would totally believe it.
i just think its funny that anyone would try to use history as evidence of good deeds or honor