Message from @Beemann
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>an entire criminal organization
sure
i mean, dictators run whole countries
No they don't. They have entire organizations underneath them that keep things running
Fucking Stalin wasn't going to show up to nick you for jaywalking
yeah, and? one person runs it, people follow that person
just like my dad is the head and my mom follows, and they force their will on me
Right, and the authority limits the space controlled
they can easily come after me if i leave
Yes, and 2 people is not a military
2 people vs 1 person? why not.
1 person can be as effect as a whole army.
how many people are needed to be a military?
personally, i think the only thing separating your usual family, and the state, is just a matter of scale.
so then what is the min amount to be called a state
>one person can be an entire professional organization
There's more to it than scale, but scale is a large part of it
thats fine, why are you not defining scale then. outside nebulous terms. just go "military is at least 100 people" or something like that.
"goverment needs at least 20 people"
Because it's not a flat number, it's a style of organization
so then a family unit could be a state, but is not always.
No, a family unit on its own could not be a state
A family unit could become head of a state
Could occupy the positions within a state
if i am on an island, with just me and my family, are they not the state?
they "own" the whole island
i was just born there
They only own it by virtue of you willingly following them. If you decided not to, you'd be fucked
i pointed the answer of this issue out earlier
If you decide tomorrow not to pay taxes you'll get fucked
Group of people is a family,
Group of families is a community,
Group of communities is a town,
Group of towns is a country,
A countries leaders is called a state?
is that not different that now?
so then they are the state if they are willing to use force. and the government can become not a state if they don't use force?
if i stop paying taxes, and "the state" goes "well fuck.... okay" and thats it. are they still "the state"
No, if a bully beats you up, he is not the state
if i tell my dad on this island "i'm not giving you half the food i personally picked today" and he beats me up. why is he not the state?
Because you are both ultimately sovereign. His ability to control you only extends so far as he can beat you and you don't cause him sufficient harm
is that not true of the state?
Because words have definitions and 'state' is not just 'person or people who tell me what to do'
You cannot sufficiently harm a state