@NativeInterface You can just put your own name man

I mean names for what you think they should be called

savagay

I'm trying to create a philosophy that right-wing and left-wing populists could agree on

i see

Anti-Corporate
Anti-Elite
Anti-Intellectual bourgeoisie
etc

@RanStairs They're the exact same people

the difference is that Elites are disconnected because they're in a seperate "high society" in which all they have is sycophants and yes-men
So if they wonder "Does my plan work?" their friends and servants will say "Oh yes, you are so smart and kind"

Intelligentsia are basically those socialists who think that if we just take all the money from the rich, it will all suddenly work cuz people will happily shovel poop now that they get paid the same as a lawyer

Um, communism already exists.

well im pretty sure both sides agree that corporations and states are too merged and thats the origin of most problems in society

And I'm late because my client's not scrolling chat like it should.

@Dr.Wol When I say Elite, I mean people that understand what their doing and only work in they're own selfish-interest

Those don't exist in the world of politics,

Trump maybe as the golden child

they mostly just argue if they hate corporations or states the most

If the "Elite" knew what they were doing, they wouldn't be despised by the common man, and they'd have actual running countries

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@Dr.Wol I mean, they know what they want. That has nothing to do with the people's interest.

again, if the elite knew what they were doing, they'd be succesful at it, as you can clearly see, none of the current "elite" are very succesful in what they're doing

What I mean by Self-Hating Socialists, high class retards that think they know what people want, but really, they have no damn clue what it's like to be in the working class

your 5 names basically amount to the same kind of person

An random joe who thinks "They know how to fix it all"

@ExceptionalFeather Of course they aren't spotlights are pointed on them and other groups like I said before are trying to compete for the same power

The only thing that all of these groups have in common is that they want power and some are doing it for selfish reasons and only a few don't realize the world they're bringing.

so you're trying to unite the left and right by giving them common enemies?

Again, help and change the names in they're bad

even those that do it for selfish reasons don't realise the world they're bringing, look at hillary

@NativeInterface Essentially

"Proto-Authoritarian Idealists" They all have the ideal of "fixing the world", they're willing to use any means once they have the power

And they're just not there yet?

@Dr.Wol Hillary has an idea of she wants. Her voters don't know what she wants.

And she didn't know what horrors she would bring by starting wars

@Dr.Wol Not true, most of these people don't care to fix the world, and some wish to, but don't understand the hell hole they want to bring

ok. i get the impression they will always see themselves as the biggest enemies to each other, unfortunately.
but i wouldn't want to discourage any effort to try something new.

thats the point of an Idealist Creep, they don't think how their ideal applies in reality

surprisingly i have seen one concept that they both find interesting. agorism.

if anything could unite them it could be that, perhaps

Okay, no, most of these people are idealist, and some are nihilist and understand the world is shit, that's why they don't have a problem with controlling the world with everyone else suffering.

they dont think the world is shit, they just don't care about people they don't know, As do we all, they just don't hide it from themselves

Really? Do you seriously think that the people a top the ivory tower don't realize the world is shit? Why do you think they have guard? Why do you think they have gates around their palaces?

They don't think the world is shit, they see the world as a chessboard, with pawns they can shove around

They know damn well that this world is shit, and the only thing that keeps them out of the filth is power and other people suffering

If you think the world right now is shit, you need to go outside and hug a puppy

or eat one if you're in venezuela