My sermon is this: do not create philosophical weapons that can be turned on you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51Fn2r-8hHI

```thats why i like niel degrasse, his whole 'listen im agnostic, idc, i just do science'````
And that's also kinda religious because he believes in a "higher power", the Power of Science in this case 😉

Just because many atheists are pompous assholes doesn't mean atheism has anything wrong with it

Atheism is just as simple as not believing in gods. nothing more too it than that

There will be blood was a good movie

people having some sort of system they adhere to isn't bad stefan, argument with tyson is its a fairly logical and flexible one. most the ills of religion have to do with infelxibility

Did you like it @Scribblehatch ?

@Ottobon That's my experience too. Except the religious types have sorta learned to moderate a bit. The Atheists I know will outright discriminate and harass people out. You don't want to see some of the discussions I've heard at various Universities. Often from places like the Admissions Office and Bias Reponse Team.

@Schedrevka
It has at there are no values, no bringing people together, just the shit we see right now with the political dividie.

We're not really going into the "science is a religion too" nonsense I hope

Religion doesn't have a monopoly on 'bringing people together'

Well, isn't it? 😉

It's just a traditional way of doing it

I think if you want to make an argument you have to decide on definitions first.

Wewlad

@Beemann

You need to have a philosophy of some kind.

Really, alot of these kinds of fights are clarified if everyone can agree to some definitions and limits on the discussion first.

Science promises no philosophy at all.

I'll bet that more or less everyone is working off something different.

True, @pratel I agree with that.
So lets define Religion with a thing that brings people together, gives them a reason to live and chain the beast inside of them.

When is the guy who's going to parrot Jordan Peterson's "whatever you care about and believe in is ur god lol" shit going to turn up?

That's a nonsensical definition

the angriest, sadest, most viscious person i avoid in my normal gaming discord is a hardline aitheist, ofc im not dumb enough to think all aitheists are like this. most of the nicer and more interesting people are also aitheist, but two of them in particular are also in the Middle East and have more valid reasons to hate religion then said angry-gamer American Aitheist guy, yet both of them are like 'o wow i like these intellectual darkweb things you sent me about religion', meanwhile angry American guy just reposts his own sentiment in more extreme ways over and over again....

Thats more a commentary on choosing not to look into other views and viewing everything as a argument rather then a debate tho

But packing the philosophy in with a bunch of fucking nonsense that TOO MANY people take literally. I'll never go in for it.

It's like when people try to define communism as "a successful system that..."

Enforce the emphasis on metaphor.

@Stefan Payne I can agree with that. But then it would include things like nationalism or hobbies.

Then your religion is okay.

Which would be a bit broad.

Militant Athieist have the tendancy of being the "Deluded pychopaths" the accuse religious people of being

I think it's mainly the people who build their identity around being atheist that are the annoying ones. Since most of them tend to have felt really betrayed by their upbringing

That's anti-theist.

Defining ideologies by results is dishonest

@Schedrevka Yes. And alot of them are just indoctrinated on social media.

My summation is this, I will not approve of action taken against people who hold a set of beliefs just because the beliefs are certifiably terrible. I will always condemn the actions taken, instead.

```@Stefan Payne I can agree with that. But then it would include things like nationalism or hobbies.```
Hobbies not neccesarily, but that's exactly my point that people look for something to believe in and if you remove religion, there is a void that has to be filled somehow.

Militant atheist should be an absurdist term.

It's like the neutral people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ussCHoQttyQ