Message from @pratel

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2018-09-01 20:50:51 UTC  

Yeah, and people aren't willing to do it.

2018-09-01 20:51:02 UTC  

You also have to be willing to turn every field into a battle ground.

2018-09-01 20:51:32 UTC  

The whole entry-ism into video games and the like is a classic playbook of the left.

2018-09-01 20:51:40 UTC  

Correct

2018-09-01 20:51:46 UTC  

They'll fight in every organization they think they have people for.

2018-09-01 20:52:16 UTC  

And make it as insufferable as they can to anyone who disagrees with them to inform the middle which stances are "tolerable" and which aren't.

2018-09-01 20:53:32 UTC  

I've actually been reading some left-wing organizing materials. Once you strip out all the politicking on top of it all, the right makes about politics not going over well are mirrored exactly. Except they've actually bothered to get over these issues and look to always expand their front and fight harder and dirtier.

2018-09-01 20:53:49 UTC  

The left is also much more unified, regardless of what people think and what they say.

2018-09-01 20:56:00 UTC  

They'll also say they don't really have principles if you can read between the lines the right way. It's all just power, "tolerance" and "democracy" (of which they are the sole representatives).

2018-09-01 20:56:20 UTC  

Yup yup

2018-09-01 21:00:33 UTC  

Thats funny as fuck mccains funeral

2018-09-01 21:01:01 UTC  

Instead of honoring mccain they choose to bash trump , basically they dont give a fuck about you mccain

2018-09-01 21:01:20 UTC  

Title IX is the best example. After a great deal of on-the-ground activism and establishing people into positions of influence, they pushed the campus rape argument and eventually got it to the Dept. of Ed. Obama threatened federal funding to any college that didn't further institutionalize the argument and "solve the problem."

DeVos eliminates the mandate (which based on all previous complaining would mean the Universities would go back to the situation before the original Title IX guidance).

The activists are still entrenched, and now hey hold positions of power in the administration. So they fight tooth and nail and attack the Dept. of Ed savagely. They march around telling people not to dare disturb them.

Not a single university changes it's policies.

Now DeVos is issuing new guidance. But at most they're going to open up room for lawsuits. They're not going for the jugular like Obama did. I doubt much will really change. The Unis have vast resources and strong legal teams. They'll just pay the odd legal fee than deal with the activists.

2018-09-01 21:03:12 UTC  

Despite all the complaining online There will not be an organized push to attack the universities for their decision to continue with the sexual assault tribunals. Everyone will just get used to the new normal.

2018-09-01 21:03:29 UTC  

The asymmetries are obvious.

2018-09-01 21:05:50 UTC  

One thing I think is actually a driver: the right rallies around the flag and tries to keep the institutions strong. The left segments itself into interest groups and plays the "you give us what we deserve or we burn the whole place down" game. They have no real loyalties except to each other.

2018-09-01 21:12:29 UTC  

The other big driver is that the left compulsively studies organization and tactics. After Jacobin launched and met success, they immediately launched a journal by the name of:

Catalyst: A Journal of Theory and Strategy

2018-09-01 21:12:56 UTC  

I still have yet to find anything on the right that is dedicated to serious discussion of organization for change or power.

2018-09-01 21:13:07 UTC  

Or calls for factional unity.

2018-09-01 21:15:58 UTC  

A common complaint among the left (and what intersectionality is designed to address) was the bad habit of their groups to factionalize upon finding success and tear apart their organizations. Or socialist organizations to stop promoting change and get caught up in purity spirals after they were able to drive out immediate challengers.

Compare to the bad habit of libertarians to get engaged in pointless "ancap versus left-leaning libertarian versus conservatarian versus socialist libertarian" purity spirals that go nowhere. Or the bad habit of the libertarian party to engage in increasingly pointless displays to show how transgressive they can be with each other (like walking on stage in the nude).

2018-09-01 21:17:00 UTC  

The broad not-left alliance needs to learn to put a boundary on what it wants and then organize *en masse* to assert power in the cultural institutions. Or everyone loses piece-by-piece.

2018-09-01 21:21:12 UTC  

@King Canuck where the fuck in Canada do you live? No one calls it an ice "pad"

2018-09-01 21:27:41 UTC  

Ontario

2018-09-01 21:38:21 UTC  

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2018-09-01 22:09:16 UTC  

Tim doesnt like mint choc chip ice cream... Im not sure we can trust this man anymore

2018-09-01 22:09:41 UTC  

hes clearly an alt right nazi...

2018-09-01 22:10:04 UTC  

only an alt right nazi could dislike a flavour of ice cream I like...

2018-09-01 22:11:26 UTC  

I too dislike mint chip

2018-09-01 22:11:35 UTC  

heretic

2018-09-01 22:11:53 UTC  

Support the Cookie Dough Regime or suffer our wrath

2018-09-01 22:14:51 UTC  

Strawberry

2018-09-01 22:14:57 UTC  

Because its number one.

2018-09-01 22:17:52 UTC  

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2018-09-01 22:24:49 UTC  

@wacka tim doesnt drink also except once a year

2018-09-01 22:26:19 UTC  

@Timcast The big thing going on now in the culture war is the lie of online hashtags. This is the core of "Get Woke, Go Broke." Companies are being told that in order to makes sales, they have to go with Hashtag calls on Tumbler and Twitter. The truth is, the Hashtagers are not buyers, and as such the companies aren't buying. The Consumers base wants good games, good movies, good stories. Instead they are being given a bunch of garbage made to cater to Hashtag calls.

2018-09-01 22:26:38 UTC  

exactly ^

2018-09-01 22:30:56 UTC  

@Timcast The big divide is the differance between people voting with hashtags vs people voting with their credit cards. The companies are being told to count the votes of the hashtags, and the people with credit cards have too often been left to foot the bill. And the Consumers are now sick and tired of this trend. Marvel publishing is bleeding out. Lucasfilms is bleeding out.

2018-09-01 22:37:51 UTC  

faceless corporations with shareholder who know shit about the product and target audiences caring more about PR (because best PR means biggest buck yeh ?) than anything else

2018-09-01 22:38:08 UTC  

also to blame

2018-09-01 22:41:51 UTC  

Well

2018-09-01 22:42:14 UTC  

What WOULD help more with PR is to give out complimentory bell curves and national crime stats