Message from @pratel

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2018-09-05 03:01:43 UTC  

the issue is bureaucracy

2018-09-05 03:01:56 UTC  

its massive

2018-09-05 03:02:02 UTC  

Agreed.

2018-09-05 03:02:05 UTC  

and alot of it is red tape

2018-09-05 03:02:13 UTC  

But the reps and senators are a big mixed bag too.

2018-09-05 03:02:20 UTC  

And they can get rather creative.

2018-09-05 03:02:31 UTC  

oh i know

2018-09-05 03:02:44 UTC  

we need better ways to hold them acocuntable

2018-09-05 03:02:52 UTC  

Like Beto "I support the 2nd amendment" O'Rouke who signed onto that semi-auto ban that passed around Congress recently.

2018-09-05 03:02:57 UTC  

with the internet it should be easier

2018-09-05 03:03:08 UTC  

I don't think that's really how it works though.

2018-09-05 03:03:18 UTC  

The final option of holding acocuntability is a gun to the back of your head

2018-09-05 03:03:19 UTC  

I mean, you get two choices.

2018-09-05 03:03:27 UTC  

Some people think it's an issue of 2 parties.

2018-09-05 03:03:28 UTC  

Semi-auto ie EVERYTHING

2018-09-05 03:03:31 UTC  

As long as you have that option.

2018-09-05 03:03:50 UTC  

i mean its a whole host of issues really

2018-09-05 03:03:51 UTC  

Heres the thing, dems treat anyone right of mao like shit nowadays

2018-09-05 03:03:59 UTC  

Yep. That's why it's so disingenuous when his shills go around Reddit saying he supports gun rights.

2018-09-05 03:04:15 UTC  

Obvious lie. But I doubt he's the only one.

2018-09-05 03:04:29 UTC  

And I doubt the paid activists are that honest either.

2018-09-05 03:04:44 UTC  

And they have all the time in the world to manipulate social media.

2018-09-05 03:04:45 UTC  

I do think that the Dems have sane people among them but they are to small to make a difference

2018-09-05 03:04:51 UTC  

or scared

2018-09-05 03:04:55 UTC  

So the internet doesn't necessarily help

2018-09-05 03:05:01 UTC  

It's more an issue of logistics.

2018-09-05 03:05:06 UTC  

fair

2018-09-05 03:05:26 UTC  

Suppose you're the key vote on an important issue to the Democrat donor class (guns being the big one now).

2018-09-05 03:05:40 UTC  

The party threatens to pull your support and starts building challengers.

2018-09-05 03:05:49 UTC  

im fairly pro gun, but its not something i worry about <:TohruWeary:356735628291080192>

2018-09-05 03:05:50 UTC  

And then they keep you from getting a say in other bills you might want.

2018-09-05 03:06:00 UTC  

This happens in both parties.

2018-09-05 03:06:07 UTC  

It's the whole job of the Whip.

2018-09-05 03:06:18 UTC  

consistency, bureaucracy, logistics, party, etc.

2018-09-05 03:06:20 UTC  

Push recalcitrant legislators to toe the party line.

2018-09-05 03:06:35 UTC  

yea committees arent elected btw

2018-09-05 03:06:46 UTC  

^

2018-09-05 03:06:47 UTC  

You really can't hold out forever

2018-09-05 03:06:59 UTC  

The party bosses tend to win out.

2018-09-05 03:07:07 UTC  

Atleast on major issues.

2018-09-05 03:07:07 UTC  

they are essentially in for life if you think about it