kalam cosmological problem

argument*

if you don't have a first cause, you'll have an infinite loop of causes. you'll get stuck in the past n u won't have a universe today (i.e. if a soldier needs permission to shoot from x and x needs permission from y ... there will be no shooting unless there is a first permission given) . = there has to be a first uncaused cause

we're in a bus, you need 1 dollar, you ask me for it, i ask dr. for that dollar, dr. asks kultro for that dollar .... kyg won't get the money he needs. in order for him to get the money we need a first dude giving the dollar

1. The first cause being eternal : there is no cause that caused the first cause so its eternal.

2. The first cause having consciousness and will : the first cause is eternal + the universe is not eternal (cause it's changing) = the first cause took a decision = the first cause has consciousness and will

3. The first cause is not physical (i.e. has hands or feets like some religion claims) : from 1. we get that the first cause is independent (everything else depends on something else). if the first cause has hands for example, it will depend on it = the first cause doesn't have parts = The first cause is not physical.

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Hey

so do you guys believe the earh is flat?

@viherkasvi planets falling into that bend of the space and time and orbiting around is lie, you can not do that in reality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTY1Kje0yLg&t=6s

there you go

@viherkasvi i just told you how

@viherkasvi man! i just sent you a test

go ahead

thank you

i'm disappointed

you said : You can't do a test like that at earth, because there is gravity that pulls objects down

gravity is that, the bending of space and time

its not another force

read what you just wrote man, its crazy

@A Search for Roche's Rifle that's Einstein, not me

anyway

okay mr viherkasvi

listen to what you're saying

you're saying, that in space, where the universe is a plane, the sun as massive it is, creates a bend in space and time and a planet like earth fall into that bend, and kept spining around it and not collide with it the second time, right?

don't you find that, like, crazy?

slowly

why man

well

i was about to convice him

Anyway, i'll finish my point, according to all globers, the universe is a plane, the sun is massive, it creates a bending in space and time, the earth fall into that bending, started orbiting around it. a sane person like a flat earther ( @A Search for Roche's Rifle so you can chill ) would understand that the earth would move directly to the sun across the bend and collide with it. an insane person like a glober would think the earth would move in full circles each time slowely like an anime or like Einstein did, think about this, 4.543 billion years of orbiting without colliding, isn't that crazy? he said slowly, damn. = gravity most known definition is obviously false n fake and it seems like only ignorant people would accept and have faith in it @viherkasvi

@viherkasvi aaah, you literally said the earth is slowly moving towards the sun, it's the opposite, "Earth Is Drifting Away From The Sun, And So Are All The Planets", you can google that

Okay, i just wanted to be clair, you said something and it turned out to be the opposite, you can google it

it has to do with the sun losing its angular momentum or whatever

@ElectroquasistaticMagnetoMan some people say that global warming is happening because we're getting closer to the sun, maybe these scientific facts that are spread now like the one i just posted are for people to chill

again, the universe is a plane, the sun is massive, it creates a bending in space and time, the earth fall into that bending, starts orbiting around it. a sane person would think that the earth should move directly to the sun across the bend and collide with it, maybe few spins, to be generous. an insane person would think the earth would move in full circles each time slowely like an anime or like Einstein did, think about this, 4.543 billion years of orbiting without colliding and the distance is actually getting wider, isn't that crazy? guys be honest

no

please read what i posted

You believe the earth is flat, why doesn't it fall faster then you? @viherkasvi what tf is this question

who said it's a sphere @Zerato have u checked the other side? aaah

Yes i'm sure you can, i mean, you landed on the physical body

lol

you can see the face of a circle, does that make it a sphere ? @Zerato

@viherkasvi water

@viherkasvi I don't think you know what a flat earth model is, you just saw it on google images

anyway

to be fair

Here's something to think about. if the earth is a sphere, you can pick up a country and go a few miles above (north) the equator and dig at 45 degrees angle (really important) a few mile (i.e. 12 kms like they did in russia, they can drill a lot more cause they are not drilling vertically) and end up on the other side below (south) the equator. it's like sticking a needle into an edge of a ball. this is an easy way to prove the earth is a ball spinning in 4 directions without feeling it

dude, think about it, it doesn't work a convex shape

it has to be a sphere, and at the equator

oh

i get what you mean

if you can't get to the other side it doesnt necessarily mean it's flat, yes, but it proves that it's not a ball, personally, i dont believe the earth is entirely flat, i believe it has 2 sides that are not plane shape

Hey

They think for their own

it looks so flat

@Tiktok that was deep

@Free Bean if fits perfectly with the music i'm listening to lol

you were singing right? i was listening to some music and it was perfect