Eg a pathogen

The only way what your describing couldnt be a pathogen is if it was a prion and those take several years to take effect. Citation kuru outbreak

I agree with effective claim not the safe claim

Polio went away and it spread from each infected person to 4-6 others who had contact

I would lie to say some of that paralysis might be caused by other viruses in the lysogenic cycle

If you get sick a virus doesn t always leave

Well clearly the way you described the spreading of the disease it eas some sort of pathogen

So unless pesticides created pathogens then

Im not an agent im a high school student

@Wretch right back at you

Yeah i am

Because i have evidence to back up claims

And not from scientists because your arguemetn way up there had a point

Sorry we know more knowledge because we have more educational oppurtunities

Will you clearly believe the polio epidemic happened so you do too then

If you dont believe the polio outbreak happened or any other outbreaks then i will just leave

Um bubonic plague

Small pox before we knew about cells

Minor provlem

Not saying thats wrong

But pesticides arent pathogens

Thats not difficult for step 7. Just injecr them with polio

While if they did nt weaken the virus than yeah

Thats the whole point of a viral vaccine

Yeah i am

A weakened virus has weakened attack

🤔

Thats interesting actually

But still doesnt prove it and is beside the point

Believe it

Theu gotta fix their vaccines right

If they mess up the process it could cause a disease

But the us has alot of vaccines they make every year so they probably wont be bad

No the government cares about an epidemic not starting so the economy stays up

So yes it does root in money

True

We do need to depopulate soon

We are reachong carrying capacity in the us

I mean fake news is real

We are starting to

But no we havent yet

While thats debatable i guess due to habitat destruction but we dont really care much about forests

It is scripted but i dont really listen to the news

I read text books

Yeah but a disease generally doesnt write books

Yes but im pretty sure they dont make up what epidemics happwn

What?

I dont know who the heck that is

The point of poloticians lying are irrelevant if we can already confirm certain epidemics happened or we both reasonably assume they did

I stay largely out of the political side

This conversation is boring to me here and im uneducated in sandy hooks topics

Im gonna guess you grew tired of vaccines and just want to stop mainly so im going to leave

Ok how does this have any relation to the topic of epidemics and the direcr correlation of the contoveraial level of vaccine effectiveness/safenes

People do illegal things

Or the people who check the scene are dumb

What ok

Ok bye

I see your confusion and your point that that is very weird, but to continue with this aseptic meningitis isn't a virus but rather a condition that yes can be caused by polio but not exclusively linked to virus infection though it usually is. They probably aren't naming it to a pathogen because the number of outbreaks are so low that they can get away with it and they don't want to put fear in the mind of the public. Aseptic meningitis is characterized by inflammation of the brain and spinal cord membranes, not a definite infection. So all though some may be caused by viruses, alot could be caused by brain damage or problems. These are measured in cases not people infected too so a reoccuring meningitis would drag the number of cases up. Also, when someone gets this from a virus it would obviously be contagious, other symptoms would show, and the CDC would take samples to see if it was polio to prevent it from spreading. If polio really did exist today in the us too there's no way we wouldn't hear from people leaking information to the press and getting a public panic. It's only natural to assume we would leak this to the press because human beings are kind of terrible in that way. Either that or the press would search it out. Youre not wrong when you say these kinds of cases have gone up recently compared to before but they are really diseases similar to polio that definetly are terrifying in themselves and might as well be considered atleast a close relative to polio, but the actual polio virus is not still around. Mainly because we don't have the vaccines for the polio like viruses in the general population and that the polio virus did have a vaccine that helped prevent new cases. I'm actually kind of impressed that the CDC has been able to control the spread of those viruses pretty well though considering no vaccine for them exists in th population.

not really anything; higher allele frequency of disadvantageous traits; higher allele frequency of a few advantageous traits like more immunity to heart disease; I don't really know other than the disadvantageous traits becoming slightly more common. only time will tell- except the time stone doctor strange has, that too

Point is we don't know what mutations will happen where

Actually I take all that back we will reach closer to a rate of Hardy Weinburg equillibrium

Because we have basically no natural selection action on us

It means our alleles will just kinda spread out through the global population

The idea of the vaccines I shared works regardless of if CDC has ever even used a vaccine. The point is most people don't have the vaccine for the polio like diseases because they are rare in the world. You clearly don't know what you're talking about because the vaccines were a side point in that paragraph. The main population doesn't have the vaccine for a rare few diseases that spread and which the CDC doesn't reccomend for people to get after their article-seems reasonable. And yes I trust the coincidence that polio being suddenly eradicated after a vaccine was constructed and given to the population would probably mean the vaccine had a major effect on the virus. If you had enough specific data you could do a chi square analysis test to see if the data is significantly different from what it should be. It could come out either way but I would assume that the drop rate down to it being erradicated would probably be due to a variable which depending on how we set the equations up we could isolate that variable to be the introduction of the vaccines.

ok, something to work off of; maybe the vaccine didn't have major effects and the disease was already under control. It could have still have been effective but we will won't know how effective if effective at it was. But we can reasonably say the vaccine did not have polio in it.

what has been going on here

also that fact about NASA doesn't mean they didn't go to mars it just means they tested their rover

why did you ban vexing?

Vexing took their own view based on what they believe but didnt do anything wrong. The whole point of this server is to not ban people based on their view right?

Also im provax if that is unclear by the way

The smallest unit that can evolve is a population so no Citizen

Also that makes no sense. We arent going to turn into rat snakes unless we start genetic engineering ourselves. Its statistically impossible even over a pretty large time frame

Also @Vexing#8802 was pretty wrong. Evolution is defined as change in allele frequency over time which theoretically could give rise to adaptations over time

So when i say we are evolving, its not we're turning into rat snakes. Its we are doing nothing and our genes are only spreading throughout mankind

And i dont say i disbelieve in god

While yes they change the vaccines because viruses gain muatations over time and we dont have long term immunity to the new mutated virus but only the old virus in the vaccine

And then after 10 years we lose all imunity to that virus

10 years from the last exposure that is

@Wretch long term immunity only lasts about 10ish years. After that youre at risk without an exposure or vaccine

Natural body immunity which id what vaccines gove you. So both

Doesnt work for chickenpox

A disease thats supposed to go away

But comws back as shingles from the lysogenic cycle

Which os where those shingles commercials came from

Theoretically it should but the exact stimulus for coming out is unknown right now

It literally attaches itself in your dna which is why viruses can be so scary sometimes

But yes the viruses dont always repeat sickness in that system though youre right

Mostly depending on when the virus chooses to start attacking your cells again

Vaccines dont outright prevent diseases they can but mainly they are to lessen symptoms

So the virus can be recognized quicker

@Tejiu The Gecko good night

@🍄The Mad Philosopher🍄 also to explain the 10 year thing your body gets rid of unused memory b cell antibodies over time which happens to be 10 years usually

It has a limit for space is the main reason

People wouldnt make it past the icy antarctica/north pole ice wall would probably be their main arguement

Which is pretty reasonable considering Antarctica is like -40° F

I think no citation on that except a video like a year ago

I don't know. Good question. lets ask a flat earther

any flat earthers here know?

@viherkasvi you can atleast figure that out

Thata not how shingles works though i suppose you could get it feon a weakened viru vaccine they just produce the antigens of the virus