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This channel is for religious debate only.
No memes, no profanity and no mocking is allowed here.
js, what hitler posted wasnt a meme
you believe in cavemen god?
What are you?
Read my tags.
Christian... so you believe in cavemen god.
well, i would hardly call palesteinians in the 1st century cavemen
You can have that opinion if you want.
But I know a worse god.
allah is the same god... lel
jewdism, christianity, and islam have the same god mitch
Not at all.
They are all different.
yup, they all worship the same god
Atheists tend to think they are all the same, which is ignorant thinking.
So, what is the difference?
The better question is what *is* the differences.
Mitch is like " duh.. Batman and Bruce Wayne is not the same guy... "
But at the end of the day... Batman and his god is just a made up comic hero
And a bad one in the case of god
That's not what I am saying at all.
Prove to me that they are the same god.
Change the subject then huh.
This is religious debate.
Also yeah Islam, Jewdism and Christianity have the same God, it goes old testament -> new testament -> Qur'an
Where they all go, "yeah God's chosen dude? Not that guy it's this guy" and everyone was completely okay with it and nothing bad ever happened because of it
@I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS I'm not a religious person, but I can already tell that you know very little about the Abrahamic faiths. In Judaism, they only believe in the first-five books of the Old Testament, which they call the; "Torah" and they believe in only YHWH god deity, which I would consider to be the Demiurge=El Saturn himself. In Islam, they also believe in only 1 god, however, Allah is not truly personal, knowable, or approachable. The Qur’an depicts him more judgmental than gracious. He exists as a singular unity who has no *partners.* In fact, to call Jesus the Son of God is to commit the unpardonable sin, or shirk. Of the 99 names for God in the Qur’an, Father is not one of them. In Islam, it is considered blasphemous to *presume* that one can know God or claim any sort of close, personal fellowship with Allah. He reveals his will, not himself. The Bible depicts God as He knows us; but more than that, He is knowable and approachable. He created us in His image with personality, thought, and will for the purpose of enjoying an everlasting, unbreakable, intimate relationship with Him. He exists as a Trinity in eternal relationship as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. In fact, God is so knowable, He came in the flesh as Jesus of Nazareth according to the Christian teachings, so they are not the same "God", when you take different personalities and Jesus into consideration, but I myself do have some crticism of the OT & some of the NT passages, and I believe that they seem to be having a connection with what the Gnostics would refer to as the Demiurge, but just under different names/cultures.
Wait, are you saying jews and Christians don't worship the same god?
Ok I was mostly oversimplifiing tov make a joke there and not wanting to start anything. Also you say you aren't religious yet have the thesit tag <:thonk:485324336874651650> but I'm like 90% that the one abarhamic god is written about in all three of those religions.
Why would it matter if Jesus was the son of God to a Muslim if a Muslim rejected the idea of god having a son in the first place it wouldn't factor in to the god that they worship right?
The idea of god being kind and loving is also one that came in and out of "fashion" across the testimants. If God can change from more harsh to less harsh in the new testament surely it's not out of the picture to assume he can go back to being harsher. Just because he changed doesn't mean he is a new god.
Especially if what the Qur'an says about Jesus predicting Muhammad would come being true, as well as the many references to Jesus in the Qur'an and the idea that Jesus will fight on behalf of Allah and describe himself as a follower of Islam.
Your way of disputing the idea that the same God is worshiped across all 3 seems quite biased towards a Christian veiw.
It is the same God
The difference in the religions is each sides take on what that God actually is
In this sense, Light is correct
Islam views God as impersonal and judgmental, existing solely as a supreme ruler that decides the ultimate fate of every living thing.
Judaism views God similarly to the Christian view, but with an implicit bias towards works. To the Jew, God is there to punish and forgive, and he protects and cares solely for those who follow Judaism. All that exists around Judaism can be used by God to punish or help the followers of the Jewish religion.
@I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS Being a Theist doesn't equate to religion. If you're still stuck in that materialist mentality and think of it as just Atheism vs Religion, maybe you should look into neuroscience & choose neither pills. I'm an idealist, because I know for a fact that there is more to reality than meets the eye. And yeah, the Abrahamic god is presented/mentioned in all three, but particularly in the Old Testament, however, I look at the whole deity of Christ from a Gnostic perspective and to me, YHWH is not the Father that Jesus was speaking of, and I would argue that it's what the Gnostics would refer to as the Demiurge, and the same goes for Allah. Not all Gnostics are the same, in fact, some think that the entire deity of Jesus is too good to be true or just another set of traps to put you in guilt-trip in compairson, but from my perspective - He was sent by the real Father that we don't even know its name of, and to bring knowledge = gnosis onto the ignorant and for those that are willing to go on a pursuit of genuine truth, and to try getting out of this 3D hellhole, which I don't believe to be our first experience...perhaps the whole notion of some people remembering past lives, the sensation of Deja vu, etc...would be clues and in 101 Gnosticism, people who don't get it right won't be damned for eternity the way the Abrahamic faiths would put it, but instead, be tortured till they forget their memories & be given countless amount of chances till they get it right, but the consequences will be different...perhaps they will be born into the rougher areas of the world and suffer more for whatever particular reason it might be, but that is just speculation. I look at the entire experience as a form of reconcilation.
And sorry for this long post btw.
Christianity views God as an all powerful entity that is also personal. God cares about each person regardless of what they believe, but seeks for Christians to convert those around them to their cause. To the Christian, God is a loving being and the trials of life are either to bring one closer to God or allowed as trials to rest one’s faith.
The ultimate deciding factor for a Christian is the acknowledgement of Jesus as God himself, and that Jesus died specifically for others.
It is the same God, but radically different takes on that God
But yeah, I try to stay away from ideas that put you in a box of fear and the conditions are; "Either this, or you're damned", because it sounds like what exactly the Demiurge would do to keep the unilluminated in-check and what @Ætos's saying is true.
But yeah, there are some truths in the Exoteric religions to keep people still interested, but just enough to keep them still as blind men walking upon outer darkness from my perspective. I'm more into the Esoteric ideas and there's a reason that, they've given religious people a preconceived notion about this, and they immediately think that we're into child-ritual sacrifices, cannibalism and all sorts of sickening sutff that only people who are into the darker arts would commit. There's already enough misery in this world as it is, so I'm not interested in that aspect.
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@Soldz (CF) Curious why evidence of demons was your lead question?
No one answers it seriously
It depends on if it is a sincere question, as far as I am concerned, yes demons are real, what kind of evidence are you looking for?
I am sure the bible is bullshit
And any other thing like it
what is your Worldview?
Meaning, what do you believe?
That god or something started the big bang
It wasn't nothing
Would you concure at the least with an Intelligent Designer?
Do you think that with as intricate and relational as humans are, that the "designer" might desire to be known?
I think whoever the designer is probably is long gone or didn't stick around
I believe that GOD did want to be known, and HE has made it evident that HE exists and has expressed HIS Love to the World as JESUS CHRIST! We are wired to worship and have faith. The problem is all to often humanity worships and believes in the creation rather than the Creator.
Look, I get it, we have, at least in America heard some sort of rendition. The problem is, the truth about JESUS has been so distorted. I played a "religion" game for many years.
@Soldz (CF) Curious, have you awakened to any of the "Conspiracies" about the World we live in? GODs Word says we do not wrestle against flesh and blood......
What didnt you get from me saying that I think the bible is bullcrap
Explain what you mean
Let me rephrase
@Soldz (CF) Still curious as to wether you have seen the darkness going on in the World, the lies etc.......
What do you mean by conspiracies
@Soldz (CF) lets keep on this topic. Im interested to hear your beliefs and opinions
Let'st talk about the bible
Why do you believe anything it says
its the word of God. It gives us morals and stories to learn from
I dont need a book to give me morals
Have you ever read any of it?
My parents are christian
Why do you think it is bs?
What if I showed you evidence of stories from the bible?
No cursing remember
If you should evidence
I would love to see it
Ok let me get some
I believe the Word to be absolute Truth!
More to come one sec
It’s from the ruins of ghomorrah.
The walls were a limestone concrete. They were heated to a point where they’re were baked into calcium phosphate.
And there’s no volcanic activity there.
Which is why people who have this really profane understanding of ‘what the Bible really means’ when you can go here yourself and see the ruins.
according to Abraham it rained fire and sulfur against those 5 cities and turned them into ash (calcium carbonate).
Pure sulfur isn’t natural.
You get 38-40% sulfur from volcanic activity.
The Saudi authorities have this entire area cordoned off. They don’t patrol it but you’re not allowed to go there.
These drawings are all over that rock. And it’s in the valley with the real mt Sinai.
The valley with the altar to the golden calf. I think these qualify as ‘primary source observation’
Above it is the real mt Sinai with black, heated rock at the top.
Way more then I thought
Learning alot myself here😀
These are in Arabia.
Ron Wyatt found the Ark in turkey (not ON mt Ararat). He’s also the guy who found this region which was already slightly patrolled.
Well he didn’t find the ark. But he’s he first person to lead an expedition to shoot X-rays into the ground to figure out what it was.
The charlatans in the mainstream creationism community claim the ark is on mt Ararat and also that mt Sinai is in the Sinai National Park. That’s why I view the mainstream creationism groups as controlled opposition like Flat Earth Society.
Ararat is of course in the distance from this object. But the Bible says it landed in the region OF Ararat not ON Ararat.
I agree @Citizen Z, controlled opposition is extremely prevelant. Interesting that the opposition always "opposes" JESUS and the Word of GOD!
This is my single greatest criticism of the ppl who says history is totally faked by the Vatican.
1) that’s an unprovable assumption
2) I have evidence of history from accidental confirmation (high altitude photography)
3) I have evidence of history from explorative confirmation (piecing together biblical writings to find the five cities which were exactly where it said they would be) It also attributes more power to the church than they actually have. But they’d love for everyone to think they have hat kind of power.
Same with governments. Strongest flood evidence is geology, polystrata fossils etc. The entire Eastern USA was a lake that drained through the Grand Canyon.
They always seem to go to great lengths to discredit the Bible.
The ‘history is all fake’ crowd tend to have an agenda as well. Sure history is written by the winners, but they didn’t put millions of balls of 98% pure sulfur (which can’t occur in nature) along the Dead Sea where the five cities were located. We are seeing proof!
It rained fire!
This is pretty good primary evidence.
I get so jacked when there is physical evidence that solidifies scripture!
This isn’t some made up Greek writing stuff down in a dusty hall. This is archeological remains.
Which weren’t discovered until the 1940s.
It makes me want to learn more and go see these places
Seriously, to be able to see these places in real life would be fantastic!
Strongest flood evidence is geology, polystrata fossils etc.
6. He who builds His layers in the sky, And has founded His strata in the earth; Who calls for the waters of the sea, And pours them out on the face of the earth— The LORD is His name.
If one wants to get in depth, these guys do an amazing job. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK_iDwUHcRA0h_TdUHP8zwg
@Soldz (CF) read it over..take your time. Im interested to hear what you think.
We have much to learn
Much to learn!
Youre awesome =)
Everyone has specific gifts and talents and areas of study GOD has given each of us to help eachother grow!
I appreciate your work with this Discord and these topics!
I have to credit others for teaching me
Its how it works I guess
Thank you for the kind words
The ghomorrah evidence is very intriguing
I think it is interesting stuff I will admit
It is how it works 😁
But it is just comparing to the stuff in the book doesnt mean it is the actual thing
It confirms you can compare stuff to the bible
2000 years of western history. We know so much. Jesus was a real man.
How else would millions of balls of pure sulfur have been created
The valley with the alter to the golden calf
It shows they were actually drawing these things at the same time the bible says in the same places
Think what you like
I am in no place to judge you for what you believe
And i you
i mean, sulfur can be found in its elemental form
also, if its such pure sulfur, why is it white and not bright yellow?
or is it actually yellow and just a really bad picture?
It really do sometimes pepper
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I implore you, wether an Atheist, Agnostic, etc, or even a professed believer in CHRIST, it is time to admit that we have an enemy of our souls! In recognizing this haunting truth, it is also time to admit that WE ALL HAVE BEEN FOOLED by satans lies! From the garden until this present day, there is not one soul that has not been affected by some sort of deception! This is not about a shame of gullibility but about being set free from the bondage of bowing down to the altar of mans wisdom and the little g god of this world! This is not about an arrogant proclomation of winning a debate! Such things are foolishness and vanity! I care nothing of the scoreboard that is written in bias and selfish gain!! A broken and contrite heart the LORD will not despise! HE resists the proud but gives Grace to the humble! Let not your human pride and ego be the monster that enslaves your own soul! WE all have eaten from the table of devils and suffer to this day the choices of our own preferred delicacies. CHRIST is our purpose and HE is our reward! HE will have HIS Glory as evident by the truth of HIS creation! Though in times past, we ate the lie at an age where our vulnerability was as pure as fallen man could ever perceive. WE have been beguiled! It is time to return to our CREATOR! It is time to become like a little child and worship the One True and living GOD, JESUS CHRIST, for HE is worthy!
@Fluff did you watch the vid or read what I wrote before dismissing it?
i will later
So you presented you distain without actually becoming informed?
Ain’t nobody got time for that
@Deleted User it wasnt meant to be a response, sorry
I'll look at what you posted later
@Deleted User I did read what you said, and I have to say that you sound stark raving mad, we as humans are not perfect, we make mistakes, get taken away in the moment. Using religion to shield your nature is a bit stupid
@Satan No worries, it appeared as such but I appear to have assumed, my appologies
I am a fair person so I will not judge your opinion
Watched the video I liked the bit where Satan looked almost exactly like Obama in that one clip
1. thats not me
@Samwise Using religion to shield my nature? I do not adhere to Religion, but I do trust CHRIST, and HE does not shield our nature HE exposes it!
You say “I do not adhere to religion” but it really sounds like you do tbh
@Samwise You are fair and do not judge, other than calling me stark raving mad? That is a bit of a contradiction I would say.
That was my opinion
You don't have to take it to heart
@xXPuppyLoverXx That is simply because you have listened to main stream and not to the Truth of GODs Word.
Ok man whatever you say
Some people use religion to find order in a otherwise chaotic world
Again though, you sound way too religious to claim you don’t agree to it 😂
Don't adhere to religion but trust Christ?
“I don’t drink, but I do do shots sometimes”
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