SeekingTruth

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2019-04-02 22:11:55 UTC [The Ice Wall #members-log]  

2019-04-02 22:12:25 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

proof density alone can't make things fall/sink

2019-04-02 22:12:29 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

oh

2019-04-02 22:12:34 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

yeah sure

2019-04-02 22:12:45 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

https://gyazo.com/74ed941ed3bcfd7803e11de0469702d9 I apply gravity to the situation, boom. See, water seeks to be level, not flat. It simply means it tries to spread equally all over.

2019-04-02 22:12:53 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Ah, in case you want some math of why it happens, here it is, with vector visualization and graph. https://gyazo.com/27631aad8b2743e3e61f56680678c9c1

2019-04-02 22:13:03 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Notice that one of the drops is kinda orbiting around, but hitting the floor. I've also heard a few peeps say that orbits make no sense, even with gravity. Well, here's an orbit with vector visualization with vertical and horizontal components. https://gyazo.com/40f8fa27600f6719403ad151ee48b95a

2019-04-02 22:13:11 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

If you do the math too, it works just right. - Oh and also, buoyancy is NOT antigravity. Here's 3 objects, each of them have the exact same mass (and therefore the same weight). The only thing that changes is their volume. https://gyazo.com/2fdf4732e6e44682c31b405037803045

2019-04-02 22:13:19 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

As you can see, all of them have the exact same vector for gravity. But the buoyant force( which is always directly opposite to gravity's) counteracts it. - Here are 3 objects, the exact same, submerged in water, but without gravity. https://gyazo.com/65c4e72c73445bd76759860b95f02a48

2019-04-02 22:13:29 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Hm, there seems to be a problem... nothing sinks nor floats. That's because gravity is required for buoyancy to exist. Even though the object on the left is less dense than the water, and the 2 on the right are less dense. Huh hold on Notice how the force of buoyancy only depends on the volume, and not the mass. 2 objects with the same volume have the same buoyancy (air lift) https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/562611254443769863/562709851252326418/unknown.png?width=423&height=450

2019-04-02 22:13:30 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Now, depending on mass, the force of gravity will change. This is why density is related with it indirectly.

2019-04-02 22:13:43 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

im not proving gravity

2019-04-02 22:14:11 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

im saying that density alone cannot make things fall/rise

2019-04-02 22:15:22 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Balloons!

2019-04-02 22:15:39 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

still, density alone cannot make things **fall**, like we do

2019-04-02 22:15:52 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

there must be a pressure gradient generated by weight

2019-04-02 22:16:14 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

and as shown in the proof, just having objects submerged in a fluid won't make anything have weight

2019-04-03 00:07:52 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

@shiro there are pictures of earth... a lot

2019-04-03 00:08:23 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

https://himawari8.nict.go.jp/
This satellite in a geosynchronous orbit takes a picture every 10 minutes. Since July 6th, 2015. 1,966,991 minutes have elapsed since it started. That's 196,699 pictures approximately. Oh... obviously somebody is awake 24/7, photoshopping pictures every 10 minutes, since 2015, because the earth just can't be a globe. Right...
Also, this debunks the claim that there are no recent pictures.
There's literally a picture every 10 minutes.

2019-04-03 00:10:57 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

That's a japanese sat btw

2019-04-03 00:11:29 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  
2019-04-03 14:55:47 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

@Human Sheeple light rays in your GIF bend the wrong way

2019-04-03 14:56:58 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

As the light rays enter denser air (higher index of refraction), light rays bend towards the normal, not away from it.

2019-04-03 14:57:26 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

The GIF has denser air at the top, and less dense air at the bottom, the complete opposite of reality.

2019-04-03 16:18:58 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Vacuum's don't suck.

2019-04-03 16:19:08 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Very **very** common misconception.

2019-04-03 16:20:46 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Vacuum's don't do a thing. However, some other gas may expand to fill the vacuum, if allowed to do so.

2019-04-03 16:25:29 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Welp, time to make a simulation...

2019-04-03 16:25:41 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

I have some gas surrounding a sphere with gravity.

2019-04-03 16:25:56 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

It stays, but when I disable gravity, it expands as you said.

2019-04-03 16:29:39 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

The simulation shows that vacuum can exist next to an atmosphere. Really, basic physics.

2019-04-03 16:32:56 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@Citizen Z You should go check out <#538929818834698260> ๐Ÿ˜‰

2019-04-03 16:35:08 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

There's a big lie there, smh.

2019-04-03 16:39:19 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

And I mean, if you really hate simulations that much, I am doing an experiment with a few peeps from different places, to determine if the FE model matches sun observations.

2019-04-03 16:52:40 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  
2019-04-03 16:53:34 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

@Citizen Z They are bending. However, I can see you didn't even read.
**The light rays are bending the __wrong way__**

2019-04-03 16:55:11 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

As the light rays enter denser air (higher index of refraction), light rays bend towards the normal, not away from it.
The GIF Human Sheeple sent has denser air at the top, and less dense air at the bottom, the complete opposite of reality.

2019-04-03 16:56:09 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Yup

2019-04-03 16:56:56 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Whoever made it, either flipped the indexes of refraction, or flipped snell's law.

2019-04-03 17:29:47 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

@Citizen Z n1 has a higher density in that diagram

2019-04-03 17:30:13 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

shown by this image:

2019-04-03 17:30:56 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

You can tell, because the light there is moving towards the normal.
If it were lower, it'd move AWAY

2019-04-03 17:32:52 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

@Citizen Z You are attempting to reverse snell's law. Hmmm

2019-04-03 17:35:08 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  
2019-04-03 17:35:51 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

How about... a real test? Lasers and water of course.
http://tsgphysics.mit.edu/pics/N%20Refraction/N3/N3_3.JPG

2019-04-03 17:36:58 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

And another http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qap4WAjjvaY/TuFlwU1903I/AAAAAAAABWY/AQ3lCcwDxxo/s1600/Snells_7380.jpg

Oh, and one showing what you claim is what happens. Except that light is going into a lower density medium. But in the atmosphere, the sun's rays would be entering higher density, which is what is shown in all of the other pictures.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2kBOqfS0nmE/hqdefault.jpg

2019-04-03 17:37:21 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

In conclusion, that GIF is wrong.

2019-04-03 17:41:23 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

That's literally what I said, Snell's law.

2019-04-03 17:41:42 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

In that diagram however, n1 has a higher index of refraction than n2.

2019-04-03 17:41:47 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

The opposite is true in the atmosphere

2019-04-03 17:42:43 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

How do I know? When a light ray enters a higher index of refraction, it bends towards the normal.
When a light ray enters a lower index of refraction, it bends **away** from the normal.

Light there, is bending away from the normal, showing that n2 has a lower index.

2019-04-03 17:45:06 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

I have reasons to doubt that you are even reading my arguments.

2019-04-03 17:57:18 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

๐Ÿค”

2019-04-03 17:57:22 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

this nickname, smh

2019-04-03 17:57:30 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

๐Ÿ‘Œ

2019-04-03 17:58:31 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

how was that not deleted by the bot..

2019-04-03 17:58:56 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

The bot deletes my messages whenever they have more than 2 paragraphs. lol

2019-04-03 19:36:30 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Today, I started an experiment.
Every hour, I took measurements on the sun's angle above the horizon, and plotted them into the following graph (blue line) accordingly.
The red line is the predicted angle using the globe earth.
The green line is the predicted angle using the flat earth.
Since I cannot assume the height of the sun in FE, I added a slider to the graph.

As you can see, the measurements so far (still making more) match the red line perfectly. However, it doesn't matter what I set the flat earth sun's height to, it won't match my observations.

https://gyazo.com/185b8ae413d7545012cd7dad3817a9ea

2019-04-03 19:39:25 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

<#538929818834698260> killing FE atm

2019-04-03 19:39:52 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

I'll take the next measurement in about 20 minutes.

2019-04-05 06:59:11 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

you set it, I didn't

2019-04-05 06:59:21 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

or maybe someone else, not sure

2019-04-05 06:59:25 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

but it's a nickname

2019-04-05 06:59:37 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

meh

2019-04-05 06:59:48 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

anyway, that video.. is beauty

2019-04-05 06:59:58 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

perspective

2019-04-05 07:00:49 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

And I mean, I know the video's gonna be denied.

2019-04-05 07:01:59 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

It doesn't involve math, simply demonstrations.

2019-04-05 07:03:27 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

knew it ._.

2019-04-05 07:04:07 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

you totally watched that 18m video in less than 3 minutes, and know it's fake or something

2019-04-05 07:04:30 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

so? what's your counter-argument?

2019-04-05 07:06:18 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

then prove that the results are faked... something, you can't just ignore it, show me it's wrong

2019-04-05 07:07:05 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

It doesn't even involve math, it's easy to understand.

2019-04-05 13:25:42 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

.

2019-04-05 13:44:13 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

hi

2019-04-05 13:55:47 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

@โ– Swiftstrike (DoQ) โ– The FE model is very different from what you think. VSauce didn't address the real model, it was just a thought experiment on how gravity would work in flat earth.

2019-04-05 13:56:21 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

@SonyPS2 You won't get a consistent answer.

2019-04-05 13:57:04 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Density, buoyancy, magnetism, universal acceleration (the latter is weird and a bit meh)

2019-04-05 13:59:47 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

nope

2019-04-05 14:02:10 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

He's not.

2019-04-05 14:04:37 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

There's literally nothing in his hand.

2019-04-05 14:05:36 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Notice, as he is flipping, he grabs the guy's leg, and helps him rotate.

2019-04-05 14:05:43 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Then he supports his back so he doesn't keep spinning.

2019-04-05 14:07:25 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

That's just digital compression. Similar to datamoshing. It disappears for a bit, but if the wire moves, the frames will update.

2019-04-05 14:07:58 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

p frames, iframes, and bframes

2019-04-05 14:11:50 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

https://gyazo.com/85c807ee70605dac86faa78ce4f1cd2b
Notice the big artifact there, where the wire is supposed to be, there's a weird pattern. Video compression.
Also notice how the video in general has those big, weird artifacts everywhere, with colors changing abruptly, and very pixelated. This is just video compression.

2019-04-05 14:13:08 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

I suggest you do some research on video compression methods, specially b, i, and p frames.

2019-04-05 14:14:03 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

he reason you see details on the top, is because the shirt is not compeltely flat there, and there are a lot of shadows and stuff. However, at the bottom, lighting is regular, and video compression will blend it all into a single color.

2019-04-05 14:14:12 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

and ok

2019-04-05 14:14:37 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Finding a video will be hard of course.

2019-04-05 14:15:48 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Because I can't just google "wire disappearing by video compression" and expect to get an example.

2019-04-05 14:16:30 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

I can get indirect proof. Other things happening, not exactly wires.

2019-04-05 14:20:34 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

I see a reflection.

2019-04-05 14:21:04 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

That's also why the reflection does not move, even though he rotated this head.

2019-04-05 14:21:39 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Tbh, I am unable to resolve anything out of the relfection.

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