Isn’t that true in every case for everything, i am speaking in regards to the elections. It seems like you think something illegal happened and you want a arrest because of that presupposition @Repeat

Why does everyone have server next to their name

There are cases of fraud every election @Repeat

It’s just like in retail they take into account every quarter for lost , broken or stolen goods. Election is the same every year there will be fraud. The accusation is about so much fraud that it effected the election @Repeat

No , but small instances of fraud does not amount to over turning the election @Repeat which is trumps angle

@GregInHouston2 there is no evidence of that happening

Right , they wouldn’t need to truck in ballots they would already be there

@Repeat but who cares about expected fraud, they already arrested one republican voter for fraud. https://news.yahoo.com/trump-supporter-arrested-requesting-absentee-234948543.html

@GregInHouston2 no one is afraid of looking, they are just calling out the ridiculousness of these baseless allegations

@Repeat did you care in previous elections?

What makes this election different ? Dead people vote every election , people try to vote twice or vote illegally every election. The allegation is that this year there was wide spread fraud committed enough to over turn the election. There is zero evidence of that . @Repeat

@GregInHouston2 how do you know they weren’t filled out by literally aliens? 👽

@Repeat people get arrested if the vote illegally , people already know this

That the point why should people go after baseless accusation just because they made them up. @GregInHouston2

@Repeat I’m just asking questions to see how you answer them

No it’s because there is no evidence for this , it’s the only reason people are grasping at straws to come up with excuses to slow down the inevitable @GregInHouston2

I’m just asking questions

You are the one alluding there was fraud baselessly demanding recounts because your guy lost. How are people like me slowing done anything @GregInHouston2

@GregInHouston2 that’s a made up standard you are only setting because you are convinced there was fraud. I am familiar with the story about perfectly computer filled ballots. It’s was off a affidavit that trump lawyers can’t even say is true. It’s a baseless claim meant slow down the election. After that’s disproven you and the trump team will just come up with something else. Again all this has been argued in court and thrown out. The affidavits are nonsense and the trump lawyers even admit it https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/trump-campaign-lawyer-admits-to-judge-our-search-for-evidence-of-fraud-produced-obvious-lies-and-spam/

Ok well then trump is an illegitimate president because no one checked if his ballots were marked by a computer in 2016, he should be removed from office until proven otherwise @GregInHouston2

Same logic

Exactly every losing candidate will use the same tactic if they have the house. Just flood the courts with nonsense and then make the house decide in your favor. @TaLoN132

People have learned how to abuse the system and make voting pointless unless you have the house @Elzam

Yeah

This is not how the system was intended. No candidate was meant to make up a bunch of stuff just to make it into the house. @Elzam

Well future candidate will use the same tactic

It will never reach SCOTUS

They don’t need scotus to kick it to the house

“Though courts will decide specific questions of legal interpretation in voting disputes, they do not want to be perceived as deciding the 2020 election result, as the Supreme Court did in 2000. Where possible, judges will decline to hear lawsuits that ask big political questions and leave these issues for the political system to resolve.

Enter Congress. If neither candidate gets to 270 electors due to disputed ballots, the House would have to decide the election.”

https://theconversation.com/congress-could-select-the-president-in-a-disputed-election-149580

They don’t need scotus , they will just claim the ballots are disputed and use the house, again this is a terrible precedent

@Elzam he can bribe or convince state politicians to not certify the election and just make them claim the votes are disputed. He did this with the two electors in Michigan, they tried to rescind their certification after a phone call from trump

There is still time for him to make calls

I mean he prob won’t be successful but the act alone should put into question what kind of non democratic entities we have in the white house

Yeah at this rate there republicans have zero moral standing to dispute court packing, especially if it’s just to even it out

Which is fair I think

I don’t think the trump base will recognize (or not be be willing to overlook ) the lengths trump would be willing to go to get re elected, also he isn’t gonna telegraph he is bribing someone so it’s not something the public would know about if he does it. It’s just a possibility

@Maw it’s wouldn’t be changing the game, it’s would be adjusting for hypocrisy

Back to a neutral starting point

It’s also a possibility that trump can bribe someone, or convince someone to not certify the election. Doesn’t involve any magic @Elzam

@Maw precedent has been blown out of the water , again how is evening out the courts after the hypocrisy the senate pulled not fair. Neutral is fair

@Elzam no one would be taking action? I’m am laying out what trump needs to do to get it to the house. It is very much in the realm of possibility and very much something trump would be willing to do

What @nachik

No way

@Elzam well that’s good

Maybe Powell spoke out against kemp and trump had to fire her because kemp had dirt on trump ( just a theory)

@Elzam what conspiracies? I am pointing out a pathway that R &R was talking about on his live stream

A future possibility is not a conspiracy

It’s just a possibility

Who is panicking , Again this is a path for trump that R & R pointed out and I am showing how that is bad for democracy. You were saying earlier that everything is playing out as intended and I am pointed point that the route laid out before trump would require certain things (including the possibility of bribery or simply just convincing) to achieve. This is not how the system was intended, you have latched on the word bribery for some reason. @Elzam

@Elzam he didn’t say bribery, that is just a tool available. You seem offended that someone would point out that trump could possibly dare bribe someone.

You are missing the bigger point

Not really unless you think bribery is out of the question for trump which would be untrue for any politician

You have hyper focused on bribery because it offends you

It’s a possibility that is all

Ok well if your think it’s more likely that people can teleport that trump can bribe someone then I don’t know what to tell you

You act like it’s some un fathomable far fetched possibility

How so

He is a person in power with leverage

Anyone in that position can bribe people

Yeah that was hilarious @nachik

Unless he promises someone a bigger position in government etc @Elzam which he can do if he wins

Again I’m not saying it’s definite thing just a tool available that you think he is somehow above using

Great , however that has nothing to do with the bigger point

No you are just offended that someone would allude that trump would bribe someone

It’s not a interesting thing to hyper focus on

So why did you hyper focus on that if you don’t care and think it’s silly

Why don’t you address the bigger point which is utilizing this route is not good for democracy

Actually originally you said you were happy that things are being done by the constitution, however you then went on to say the system is being used as it was intended, the whole point of my original post was to point out it is not being used as originally intended @Elzam although you decided to hyper focus on the bride part

But not as intended

Did you get don’t reading about how the affidavits were all spam https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/trump-campaign-lawyer-admits-to-judge-our-search-for-evidence-of-fraud-produced-obvious-lies-and-spam/ @Repeat

You realize the system can be abused right, there is the letter of and the spirt of the law. @Elzam something can be legal and within the bounds of the system but be abused because certain parts of the system were not designed to address all possible outcomes

@Elzam I only used bribery once to illustrate a possibility and you are still stuck on that , that was my point by the way the losing candidate could use this loop hole if they hold the house and trump could set a very bad precedent for this

I use the word possibility because it’s a possibility that was not foreseen

How is abusing the system that never considered that a candidate could spam the courts with made up allegations and try to convince state legislators to invalidate votes be using the system as intended? @Elzam

I never said it was highly likely that trump would succeed

If you go back you will see that I posted that the attempt by trump ( if R &R is correct) then would be undermining democracy and should be highlighted as an attempt of that @Elzam

Trump has been spamming courts with frivolous allegations

That’s why they all got tossed out except for like two

That was my original point

Based on baseless claims yes it would be

If the allegation of fraud is based on nothing of merit (as the courts so far have all decided) then this would be a attempt to game the system. Rely on public opinion, and by that way apply pressure to state governments to over turn a legal election

I am not saying that trump will be successful

But the attempt alone should give people pause

It’s not in good faith. The lawyers themselves know they have no case, that’s why so many of them quit

Read this https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/trump-campaign-lawyer-admits-to-judge-our-search-for-evidence-of-fraud-produced-obvious-lies-and-spam/

Was the apprentice a good show?

I can’t imagine it was

Taking advantage of rules set up 200 years ago because they couldn’t conceive of such a situation

Why people think the founding fathers thought of everything is beyond me

Again bribery is not even necessary for trump to pull this off

It’s just a tool in his tool box

Right but they didn’t think that they would have a situation where someone would try to spam the courts with nonsense in order to convince people something exists when it doesn’t , and then try to invalidate votes based on nothing, remember trump does not need the courts for this

He just had to convince enough people in certain states to make the state leaders feel pressure to invalidate the election

they couldn’t conceive of airplanes or the internet

Yeah

A dishonest tactic that should be highlighted not ignored

Anyways it’s super interesting that Powell got fired

Do you see a problem with doing it just to flip the election in your favor? With zero evidence to prompt such a mass verification while attempt to undermine democracy with frivolous claims?

Sure he can do it

But it is very disingenuous

Can we talk about Powell getting fired and the possible fall out