lmao wait why

to see if there's actually economically literate people?

there is one very economically literate person here

TheRadicalAustrian

an intellectual chad

political ones are fun

the medium-sized ones at least

yeah

fui do you have experience in populating servers

yeah I won't, dw

lol

I'm sure the servers you dm advertised from felt the same way

I'm a man of principle, my guy

sure

*your :^)

> Makes me wanna vomit
@JoshT20 you want to vomit because you know im just <:big_flushed:722162552624382024>

@The Best Duck (they/them) i dont think trump supporters are going to disappear any time soon

they might rally under a new identity, but i think the essence of the group will still exist

and most likely grow stronger under the biden administration

they were the product of populism

it's not just that they support donald trump, they hate that they feel like they don't matter compared to coastal elite liberals

trump promoted this idea of the "us vs them"

sure, trump is the instigator

but i feel like some other goon is going to carry on the torch

populism imo is a disease to any ideology

and unfortunately, the right is infected with it rn

why are markets rallying today?

being centrist is fine imo

true

or they just dont care about politics

or they don't want to anger either side/are scared of conflict

how so

and that isn't happening under capitalism?

gulags no, because bad optics

but genocides capitalism has most definitely done

*nestle company has entered the chat*

bots

again probably

smells like bait, but I'll bite

you bring up a controversial topic out of nowhere

that is completely unrelated to the current conversation

nah, it's fine

so mental disorder in what context

medical?

so you're talking about it from a medical perspective

that last part is analogous, so i hope you understand why im choosing to annoy it

because ive only had positive experiences with trans people

but im not going to bring that up as an argument

> Depends what you would consider a medical perspective.
@HyooNoot you mention the WHO, so it sounds like you're going for medical

oh wait sorry

I meant are you arguing from a medical perspective

the framing

not the type of argument

so transgenderism was categorized as a disorder in the DSM-4

would that be why you also consider it to be a mental disorder?

yes

IV is 4 lol

would that be the only reason?

yup, i was just going to say

science categorized transgenderism as a disorder

science also uncategorized transgenderism as a disorder in 2013 with the DSM-5

so you can't really appeal to science, as science is against you

do you support the WHO?

considering they went easy on China for the coronavirus, I thought that conservatives dislike the WHO

hell, i hate the WHO lol

ok, interesting

right

and the WHO said they declassified it because they have a better understanding of gender dysphoria

which is the official medical term by the way

so you cite the WHO for the disorder classification, but the WHO actually disagrees with you

> I mean gender dysphoria is classified as a mental illness
@Catacombs it's not

sure

the DSM-5 declassified it in 2013

wdym

transgenderism and gender dysphoria are basically synonyms

gender dysphoria is the most recent medical terminology

oh wait actually my bad, gender dysphoria is what transgender people experience

first off @Catacombs , nowhere on there do they call it a disorder or illness

they mention a cure, because the feeling of gender dysphoria is inherently negative

yes

but not all transgender people experience gender dysphoria

which was the mistake i made until a few minutes ago

im going to appeal to emotion instead of medical for what im going to say next

but i feel like insisting that trans people have a disorder/illness is negative in nature and most likely makes it worse for trans people

thanks! made it recently

sure

right

and stigma is a part of the reason for gender dysphoria in the first place

so insisting that it is an illness/disorder makes those with gender dysphoria feel even worse

because ADHD doesn't have a stigma of self-harm, suicidal thoughts, suicide, etc

yup

why do you insist that they admit they have a mental illness?

what do you have to gain from that?

what does anyone have to gain from that?

because if it's in the context of "if you are experiencing gender dysphoria, you should look for help" then i understand

but i feel like (and especially because this is a conservative server) people here want them to admit it's a mental illness as an argument against transgenderism

ofc that is me generalizing, but it's been true for most of the arguments where someone argued for that stance

wdym

when did I say you can't generalize?

you were using an analogy as a part of your argument