right

Instead of making it a bad thing it should just but acknowledged

and stigma is a part of the reason for gender dysphoria in the first place

?

so insisting that it is an illness/disorder makes those with gender dysphoria feel even worse

Well that's one thing society needs to change

Insisting that I have ADHD doesn't make me feel worse

Stigmas

because ADHD doesn't have a stigma of self-harm, suicidal thoughts, suicide, etc

It's not a thing I can change tho

True

Ppl just think ppl with ADHD are all energetic

While for trans ppl it's more negative

yup

So how come they aren't able to say "I have a mental illness"?

why do you insist that they admit they have a mental illness?

what do you have to gain from that?

what does anyone have to gain from that?

Lower suicide rates, better treatments (not pills or medical procedures such as surgery)

because if it's in the context of "if you are experiencing gender dysphoria, you should look for help" then i understand

but i feel like (and especially because this is a conservative server) people here want them to admit it's a mental illness as an argument against transgenderism

ofc that is me generalizing, but it's been true for most of the arguments where someone argued for that stance

i cant generalize but you can

ok

wdym

when did I say you can't generalize?

I

you were using an analogy as a part of your argument

if my generalization is wrong, feel free to call me out for it

but my generalization wasn't a part of my main argument

How have you only have positive experiences with transgender people. The last LGBTQ friend group I had tried to convince me I was transgender over the course of 7 months.

There was no analogy. I just said that every trans person I've met was toxic as fuck

Most of them, for me.

fuck

am i using the wrong word

Ive found to realize that most real transgender people prefer not to flaunt their title around. They just wanna live their life. Thats the point of being transgender afterall, to be seen as the other gender exclusively.

So doesn't that mean they want to flaunt their title around? By trying to be another gender?

The title of being transgender

> There was no analogy. I just said that every trans person I've met was toxic as fuck
@HyooNoot what i mean is your personal experience with trans people depends heavily on your location, social circles, etc

and you can't apply it to all grans people

same goes for @Kriskris