๐Ÿ“ˆโ”‚economics

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2020-11-01 00:17:19 UTC

<:blobokhand:428315439173468180> Nuked this channel.
https://imgur.com/LIyGeCR

2020-11-01 19:40:25 UTC

this is the only channel that fully indorses anarchy

2020-11-01 19:50:03 UTC

!d bump

2020-11-01 19:50:03 UTC

2020-11-02 12:44:15 UTC

Some country's need Keynesian economics

2020-11-02 16:14:52 UTC

Austrian economics is always better in the long run

2020-11-02 16:15:16 UTC

Keynesians tend to stacking up inflation over long run

2020-11-03 01:50:45 UTC

austrian economics lmao

2020-11-03 02:59:18 UTC

Keynesian? Austrian? Chicago!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uAUoz7jimg

2020-11-03 03:04:31 UTC

@beni well the most importent missunderstanding of keynsesn politics is that its an theorie about money and most economics forget that part of it is, to reduce money in a high inflation phase and increase goverment investments in an deflation. Do not know australien school i am gesellianer where john maynard keynes said:

The world will learn more from gesell as from Marx.

And i know why.

2020-11-03 03:06:07 UTC

In the long run we are all death.

2020-11-03 07:18:13 UTC
2020-11-03 07:21:40 UTC

> @beni well the most importent missunderstanding of keynsesn politics is that its an theorie about money and most economics forget that part of it is, to reduce money in a high inflation phase and increase goverment investments in an deflation. Do not know australien school i am gesellianer where john maynard keynes said:
>
> The world will learn more from gesell as from Marx.
>
> And i know why.
@hororizon44575
It seems good on paper but Keynesians are barely able to reduce money supply during inflationary phase (good times) the amount the pump into market during crisis or recession is never compensated completely in the long run.

2020-11-03 07:22:39 UTC

> austrian economics lmao
@OprahWindFury
I am not surprised a commie don't know what it is.

2020-11-03 07:45:14 UTC

@beni well i looked it up yes hayek bulshit i know

2020-11-03 07:46:10 UTC

i mean why would anyone increase cost for money in an deflation phase

2020-11-03 07:53:04 UTC

No, you are getting it wrong. The best thing to do during deflationary phase is to let free market recover without interfering in it.

2020-11-03 07:53:50 UTC

Money velocity is determined by the availability of goods and services as well as sentiments of people not amount of paper in circulation. Keynesians fail to understand that.

2020-11-03 08:01:19 UTC

if you do that banks will increase the cost for there money which leads into economical collaps

2020-11-03 08:04:44 UTC

if you do not believe look at "wunder von wรถrgel" an economic crises becouse of no money in the system

2020-11-03 08:06:37 UTC

Increasing cost of money does not mean economic collapse. Real value is not in the fiat currency but the labour done and goods produced, it will delfate currency and adjust itself.

2020-11-03 08:08:04 UTC

> if you do not believe look at "wunder von wรถrgel" an economic crises becouse of no money in the system
@hororizon44575
There are immense number of crashes caused due to pumping fiat currency into system during crisis and not being able to control it which lead to hyperinflation

2020-11-03 08:09:07 UTC

When you deal with a monetary system which is not limited (like gold back currency) it's value will always deteriorate over time if Keynesian methods are applied

2020-11-03 08:25:32 UTC

it would increase the deflation

2020-11-03 08:25:44 UTC

becouse if money cost more people will bunker money

2020-11-03 08:25:56 UTC

which increase deflation becouse of no investments

2020-11-03 08:26:43 UTC

well i am an gesellianer (i know pumping money into the system brings problems) thats why i am for giving an price for bunkering money.

2020-11-03 08:27:28 UTC

and no not like inflation more like a tax on Banknotes and directly usabel bank kontos

2020-11-03 08:28:34 UTC

while reducing the number of given kredits in the system (less credits and faster/more exchanges)

2020-11-03 10:53:42 UTC

Deflation is bad but letting it get solved naturally overtime has the least negative consequences as compared to the hyperinflation caused by giving stimulus for discouraging cash bunkering while inevitably lead to sudden burst in demand

2020-11-03 18:00:06 UTC

banks will not give kredits for many reasons (one is becouse the money is worth quite much. Secend is why go into risk and financ samething if noone buys samething. If you want to solve this naturaly that would mean great depression.

2020-11-03 18:01:41 UTC

of course I know what Austrian economics are

2020-11-03 18:02:08 UTC

praxeology <a:BBoomer:587002239353356302>

2020-11-03 18:02:10 UTC

btw silvio gesell wonder of wรถrgel comes from austria

2020-11-03 18:16:45 UTC

The Wรถrgl Experiment
One Schilling note with demurrage stamps from Wรถrgl

Wรถrgl was the site of the "Miracle of Wรถrgl" during the Great Depression. It was started on July 31, 1932, with the issuing of "Certified Compensation Bills", a form of local currency commonly known as Stamp Scrip, or Freigeld. This was an application of the monetary theories of the economist Silvio Gesell by the town's then-mayor, Michael Unterguggenberger [de].

The experiment resulted in a growth in employment and meant that local government projects such as new houses, a reservoir, a ski jump and a bridge could all be completed, seeming to defy the depression in the rest of the country. Inflation and deflation are also reputed to have been non-existent for the duration of the experiment.[citation needed]

Despite attracting great interest at the time, including from French Premier Edouard Daladier and the economist Irving Fisher,[3] the "experiment" was terminated by Austria's central bank Oesterreichische Nationalbank on September 1, 1933.[4][5]

In 2006 milestones were placed, beginning from the railroad station through the downtown, to show this history.[6]

2020-11-03 18:17:43 UTC

i have a question the so called austria school what have this school done 1932? maybe blocked an sucessful money experiment.

2020-11-03 18:17:57 UTC
2020-11-03 18:24:41 UTC

The Austrian โ€˜schoolโ€™ of economics is widely discredited in mainstream economics, and they have zero empirical evidence for their theories

2020-11-03 18:39:24 UTC

yeah they have no empirical evidence but there is empirical evidence which just shows the oppesit of there so called theorie.

2020-11-03 20:34:55 UTC

Yeah lol

2020-11-04 10:00:49 UTC

> The Wรถrgl Experiment
> One Schilling note with demurrage stamps from Wรถrgl
>
> Wรถrgl was the site of the "Miracle of Wรถrgl" during the Great Depression. It was started on July 31, 1932, with the issuing of "Certified Compensation Bills", a form of local currency commonly known as Stamp Scrip, or Freigeld. This was an application of the monetary theories of the economist Silvio Gesell by the town's then-mayor, Michael Unterguggenberger [de].
>
> The experiment resulted in a growth in employment and meant that local government projects such as new houses, a reservoir, a ski jump and a bridge could all be completed, seeming to defy the depression in the rest of the country. Inflation and deflation are also reputed to have been non-existent for the duration of the experiment.[citation needed]
>
> Despite attracting great interest at the time, including from French Premier Edouard Daladier and the economist Irving Fisher,[3] the "experiment" was terminated by Austria's central bank Oesterreichische Nationalbank on September 1, 1933.[4][5]
>
> In 2006 milestones were placed, beginning from the railroad station through the downtown, to show this history.[6]
@hororizon44575
This was nothing in front of Keynesian manipulation during 2008 economic crash

2020-11-04 10:01:41 UTC

2008 was not becouse of keynsean it was becouse of not doing keynsean politics

2020-11-04 10:01:53 UTC

> The Austrian โ€˜schoolโ€™ of economics is widely discredited in mainstream economics, and they have zero empirical evidence for their theories
@Cade
It is discredited because it doesn't promote quick but harmful methods which does more harm than good to economy

2020-11-04 10:02:26 UTC

@beni thats why they was against wรถrgl experiment sucess?

2020-11-04 10:03:37 UTC

What about successive crashes it caused after it getting mainstream after 36?

2020-11-04 10:04:06 UTC

you had stamp scripts?

2020-11-04 10:04:28 UTC

The very creation of fiat currency is a side effect of Keynesian economics

2020-11-04 10:04:41 UTC

i am talking about irving fisher the other persons who understood silvio gesell you know

2020-11-04 10:04:49 UTC

lol

2020-11-04 10:04:50 UTC

no

2020-11-04 10:04:56 UTC

fiat was there bevore

2020-11-04 10:05:46 UTC

the ground of fiat money was the transition you can even found in the middle age

2020-11-04 10:06:13 UTC

wechsel in german do not rly know the english word for it

2020-11-04 10:06:18 UTC

"wechsel"

2020-11-04 10:06:53 UTC

promise to pay maybe

2020-11-04 10:07:05 UTC

Production is what important for economic growth and creates an equal flow of demand. Demand is the afternath of production, not the other way around.
Keynesian target demand not production which ultimately leads to failure.

2020-11-04 10:07:44 UTC

as a post keynsean i would not say so

2020-11-04 10:07:57 UTC

> the ground of fiat money was the transition you can even found in the middle age
@hororizon44575
Fiat money is not backed by any limited commodity, such thing is empirical in Keynesian economy's doctrine

2020-11-04 10:08:48 UTC

fiat money need guarantys to come into the system

2020-11-04 10:09:02 UTC

the oppesit of the fiat money is always the depts

2020-11-04 10:09:43 UTC

Yes guarantee is not a limited thing it can be manipulated however the guarantor likes

2020-11-04 10:10:16 UTC

in my kind of few it would be good to reduce the amount of money in the system by reducing the number of given credits while at the same time increase the speed of money circulating by increasing the number of lended money

2020-11-04 10:10:42 UTC

credit =/= lending money

2020-11-04 10:10:51 UTC

Exactly, but Keynesians believe the speed of money circulating always become faster when more is in it

2020-11-04 10:10:59 UTC

Which causes hyper inflation

2020-11-04 10:11:20 UTC

Your take is different than a Keynesian

2020-11-04 10:11:30 UTC

i am an gesellianer

2020-11-04 10:11:34 UTC

Which is more appropriate

2020-11-04 10:11:43 UTC

which got praised by keynsean

2020-11-04 10:12:41 UTC

Every modern economic crisis is caused by Keynesian. The very fact that usa is so astronomically rich due to the reserve currency status of it makes Keynesians get away with blunders

2020-11-04 10:13:23 UTC

Gesell is the founder of the free economy, an economic outsider who nevertheless was recognized by Keynes, in a certain sense, as his forerunner. He is therefore still considered to be above all a Keynesian economist, even a kind of hyper-Keynesian, that is to say, an advocate of a school that propagates the lowest (nominal) interest rate possible as a means of avoiding crises. Gesell, however, also recognized that the problem of a crisis cannot be solved solely by reducing the rates of interest... Gesell suggests, therefore, as the necessary correlative to the introduction of 'free money' ... the introduction of โ€˜free landโ€™... Gesell's chief work thus carries the title โ€˜A Natural Economic Order Through Free Land (!) and Free Moneyโ€™. It proves that the real aspects of an economy โ€“ that is to say, the claim on land or resources โ€“ must never be lost from view, even if primary importance is attached to monetary factors. This was recognized more clearly by Gesell than by Keynes.

2020-11-04 10:14:08 UTC

i always think like people who sai keynes = hyperinflation did not understand that part of keynes is also to reduce the money in the system again.

2020-11-04 10:14:16 UTC

whats never bin done although.

2020-11-04 10:14:32 UTC

That's the thing

2020-11-04 10:14:55 UTC

but thats nothing keynes can do samething about

2020-11-04 10:15:12 UTC

People underestimate how hard it gets to deflate by removing money supply during inflationary economic boom

2020-11-04 10:15:21 UTC

Everyone forget to work on it

2020-11-04 10:15:32 UTC

its eay increase tax for rich

2020-11-04 10:15:40 UTC

incrase tax in generel

2020-11-04 10:15:48 UTC

decrease tay in depression

2020-11-04 10:15:49 UTC

Then rich will just move away

2020-11-04 10:15:53 UTC

incfrease in boom

2020-11-04 10:15:55 UTC

And turn it into detroit

2020-11-04 10:16:19 UTC

and if they move away increase tax for imports of that nations

2020-11-04 10:16:34 UTC

also if they move thats fast

2020-11-04 10:16:43 UTC

whats with all there immobil capital

2020-11-04 10:17:42 UTC

They tend to make strong lobbies in political field of their respective nations

2020-11-04 10:18:02 UTC

And tend to steer tax policies to their profit

2020-11-04 10:18:23 UTC

i know

2020-11-04 10:18:23 UTC

Only in an authoritarian socialist nation, it won't happen

2020-11-04 10:18:46 UTC

thats why i am an gesellianer not an pure keynseaner

2020-11-04 10:19:09 UTC

btw if i would found that in english its basicly what i found an good idear

2020-11-04 10:19:22 UTC

I personally belief weak state and leniency in economic policies ultimately lead to rich lobbying in government

2020-11-04 10:20:24 UTC

but well sry i take my leave now.

2020-11-04 23:44:09 UTC

@beni All states have that no matter their "strength"

2020-11-05 02:37:49 UTC

We wouldn't have to worry about the economy if we all embraced big brother

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