Nah, couldn't work the job if I did.

And what do you think that might be

I'm intensely curious as to your diagnosis.

Do you have a mental disorder that precludes an understanding of hyperbole?

It's clear that I don't actually want to tramp through the streets of Seattle wielding an M2A1.

Besides, they're so heavy.

You'd want something a lot more manageable if you wanted to conduct mass disposal.

Me either. Doesn't mean we can't speak practically about it.

So

@bandit

Tell me

What do you think about shootbangs

Guns. Shooting irons. Pieces. Firearms.

Why get rid of them? What about self defense?

Such as?

What do you propose can stand in the role of a gun for someone protecting themselves against a mission oriented attacker?

It's a term of art. A mission oriented attacker is one who possesses a clear goal, and is set on fulfilling that goal through the execution of the crime they're about to commit.

A rapist, a murderer, a dedicated mugger, etc.

Tasers?

You mean those things that stop working the second someone is wearing heavy clothing?

And whose barbs don't always make contact to begin with?

Tasers are barely suitable even against unarmed attackers in light clothing.

And only then at very, very close range.

Pepper spray is reliant on pain compliance, and straight up does not affect a surprising percentage of the population on a physiological level.

Same as tear gas.

And if you've got someone in an altered state, they can function whether you've dosed them or not.

Pepper spray also usually results in contamination of the person using it as well.

You don't carry a baseball bat with you everywhere, though.

You're always in your car?

You never walk to or from your car?

And you can teleport the bat into your hands?

Absolutely. The casualty rate is of literally no concern to me. More people die every year from falling off of ladders. Three times as many people are beaten to death with hammers. Several times more die of the flu in a single season.

To be honest, if someone pulled a knife on me or my fiancee, and demanded my wallet, I'd blow them the fuck away if I didn't have a single dollar in it.

The point isn't being robbed.

It's defending your life and agency against a hostile threat.

Robberies rarely go like that, though6

Once a victim demonstrates compliance with a predator, it usually goes a step further.

DoJ statistics show that in all cases except immediate, violent resistance, the victim is likely to be subject to escalation by the hostile actor.

A man comes up to a woman, asks her if her dog bites. She says no. He pulls a knife. Demands her purse. She complies. That's twice now.

The first capitulation was opening a dialogue.

I'm not finished.

It can be. But that's a separate discussion.

She's complied now. The predator knows he has a compliant victim. She's already done exactly what he told her.

"Okay, bitch, now, step over here."

Then it's a rape.

Then it's a murder.

Can it now

Mugging, rape, and murder only take place in America?

How so

How can that take place ONLY in America?

Most mugging don't involve guns, though.

And we certainly do.

But take my fiancee for example, to go back to the self defense thing. Even armed with pepper spray, she wouldn't have much of a chance against even a single dedicated actor that was larger than her.

Two would be almost a foregone conclusion.

This is unarmed men, by the way.

Her only response to such an event, with a satisfactory conclusion, would be immediate lethal force.

I'd say that sounds about right.

If it were to look up the statistics for violent crime here, they'd likely show a similar ratio.

Not most, no.

But most isn't the point.

When your end state is as critical a potential case as described, you don't go with "Eh nothing bad will happen, probably"

You'd rather a woman be raped than kill her attacker?

That's not murder anyway.

Wow, you're a special brand of fucked-up, you degenerate-ass mongoloid.

Nah, it's just kind of stunning to hear someone come out and say that a woman shouldn't be able to defend herself against a rapist

But that's basically the only way to stop a human being quickly enough to prevent something like that.

This is the same reason that hostage rescue teams don't try to run in and spray people with OC.

Because pepper spray and less lethal systems do not stop targets.

How do you figure

A gunshot to almost any part of the body is lethal, and usually in short order.

There's no safe place to shoot a human being.

Feet are moving too fast to aim at.

You can't precisely target someone's hands or feet.

Inshallah, she had it coming, lol

Inshallah, my dude.

Nah, this is predicated on a goodly number of use of force continuum studies.

No feelings to it. Bodying people is all business, man.

@bandit So, you wouldn't approve of someone carrying, say, this

https://imgur.com/a/58dTrTa

An imgur link.

Picture I took with my phone.

Couldn't upload directly, so I linked from imgur.

Why not, exactly?

But I'm not worried about someone else with a gun.

Like, other folks having guns is irrelevant.

Like, you're not going to draw on someone who already has you dead to rights. You just get the fuck out, then evaluate and engage if appropriate.

But it's not like if someone pulls a knife on you, YOU pull a knife.

Nobody suffers?

Seems like people still get mugged and raped...

Guns don't increase the number of rapes, though, not for lost criminals.

Because a gun in the crime doesn't make the victim any more threatened.

And it doesn't do much besides add years to the sentence if they're caught and convicted.

That's because y'all quietly surrendered the right to self defense a long time ago. It's an alien mindset to a lot of the world.

The idea that agency should be protected and defended.

I suppose so, though I suspect in the same manner that a 2D being would struggle with the concept of a third dimension.

But without a means to actuate that...

It's sort of philosophical, isn't it.

Ignoring it is irrelevant if you don't have the means to do so.

I'd say it can come down to quiet, simple acceptance.

I'm sure if you asked one of those rape victims if they'd have appreciated a means of protecting themselves from the person who violated them, they'd give you a different answer.