this is like a weirdly romantic view of Europe, and a cynical view of everyone outside it

Right but I dont see it happening any more than I see racial tension completely going away. It's not like the USSR starved off Ukrainians and the English and Irish killed each other and the Germans killed the Polish and everyone in the Balkans murdered each other for no reason. It's the same tribal reasons you apply to other races. It comes from the same place

so how is it that you can eliminate it from European ethnicities but not non-European ethnicities, especially when we have advocates of Western values from non Western regions, and the people *in* Western nations seem to largely want Marxist memery?

are you sure? US politics seem pretty tribal to me

I havent been having too much trouble translating autocorrect-tier word replacement

but I dont agree, no

Sikh's get along with Europeans in Canada better than the former Yugoslav states did, by several orders of magnitude

Fijians and Asians are bigger proponents of western values than the masses of European marxists. And alright

Yeah that's where I'm at, DA

You preserve a culture by bringing forward cultural practices

I do HEMA and have started playing Violin. I read classical literature and listen to classical music. I bring those things forward and sell them to other people

I can tell you right now that people fleeing from the Chinese government don't want the west to become China

just like people who fled the USSR dont want to bring that shit over here

honestly a lot of groups like that are *more* sympathetic if anything. China really did a number on its own heritage *for the party*

there's a difference between wanting and not minding, but even then a lot of Asians actually actively speak out against that shit

so no, that's not necessarily true either

Lots of Westaboos

I think the issue you're looking at is the weakening of cultural values

which is why a lot of socialists think there's no white culture, and honestly come by that opinion rather than being malicious cocksuckers

I mean, there's no monolithic culture, but there's an American culture and a Canadian culture and an English culture etc

oh absolutely

I'm not a cultural relativist by any means

I wouldnt consider China admirable at all. Also China is multi-ethnic

and Japan stomped all over its smaller ethnicities, and now people are seeking that cultural heritage again

in none lol

thats "the dream"

not to mention the fact that if all Europeans can get along, what purpose do the colonial nations serve?

and no, a lot of people from China do not call themselves Chinese

and hate China

European Union is not a nation, it's like saying people are NATO

There are regions of China trying to break free from the whole. Those places are still recognized by the Chinese government *as* Chinese, but if you call those citizens Chinese they will call you ignorant

European Union is a sham lol

I'm actually really surprised that you're speaking so highly of it when it's the primary driver behind the migrant crisis

trying to put Greece and Germany on the same currency was a hilariously poor decision that they were warned of well in advance

nope, Leaf

about an hour from the Freedom Border

because it's multiple disparate economies with a singular currency, something economists told them was retarded. Because it's an undemocratic system that removes national sovereignty. Because it's incapable of taking care of its member states

Source: Look at the fucking European Union today

Asking how I know the EU is a sham is like asking how I know the car wrapped around a tree got in an accident

how does putting retards in power help with the retard problem?

so a retarded leader is better than no leader? I have a political system to sell you, comrade

you cant just say "nuh uh" to the problem of european ethnic conflict though my dude

whats your model for eliminating it?

border control and multiracial/multiethnic countries are not mutually exclusive

the problem you have is with Marxists my dude

alright

'later

define success

Japan is dying, China is an authoritarian hole

America has been weakening itself with retarded world policing and removal of fundamental rights

or attempted removal at least, in most cases

yup

Canada and Australia have the same issue without the same foundation

UK is already turning completely Orwellian

America was at peak strength when it still had a concrete value system it fought for

and wasnt being undermind by retarded tribal politics

Around the point when the federal government decided it needed more state power, that freedom became secondary to safety, that surveillance of the citizenry trumped their privacy for political ideals

lolno, America was already slowly slipping prior to that

the effects of moral and cultural changes are seen after the fact

it's not an instantaneous shift

diversity = genetic necessity lol

Ask Pakistan about that sometime :^)

your ideology seems to stem primarily from a consistent assertion that you havent done a whole lot to back

so does that mean whities get off native land reeeee? :^)

so then you're all for open borders :^)

but if they decided to murder you and/or drive you out to form the Native ethnostate that's morally justified right?

hm?

like against the Orwellian shithole? On a government level probably not

but I bet there'd be volunteers

UK government is friendly with the 'States, especially now with the whole Syria thing. I doubt they'd risk that

sounds good

I suspect we'll get a better conversation on the ethnostate when he's not tired and/or possibly drunk while being forced to use an awkward text input system

Just realized I have Matt's Starbucks 'Victims' vid open in another tab and I caught some nice stonerface on the paused frame

Wasn't the free white men of good character thing taken from a later immigration document?
As well, you seem to be unshakeable in your belief in European unity, but thousands of years of infighting, modern instances of political polarization, and the existence of non Europeans who hold European/Western values in high regard all undermine your valuation of an ethno state. It is easy enough to say "the goal is to stop people from fighting" but it's like people who say "the goal is to eliminate capitalist thinking". There will always be people who revert to tribal thinking, even when you do your best to homogenize an area. Worse still, you would be doing the nation a disservice by homogenizing too far. When everyone sits pretty on or very close to the mean in all respects, you lose diversification within the market.
Also, what political system do you advocate for the end goal state? I've seen a lot of people recommend Fascism, an ideology incompatible with functioning markets, whose success people selectively view from a single economic boom before it wore itself out in a single war. Hardly an admirable or sustainable system

The more I talk to people about the Ethnostate/White Nationalism, the less people getting wigged out about discussing it makes sense to me tbh. I still remember that Hitchens interview where he basically just shit on this one white nationalist dude to the point where his father phoned in and then also got wrecked. It wasn't honest debate obviously, but it's another point in favour of not needing to be afraid of the "bad man"'s ideas. You're not going to "catch the Nazi", silly communists (but you might catch a free ride on my helicopter)

Also 1/8th Native so I await the creation of my people's ethnostate where we drive out the paleface in morally justifiable fashion and then accomplish nothing for another century or two 👌

I think it was reference to a legislative change

But yeah, Chinese workers were hugely important to NA development, because everyone gave them shit wages and they worked hard. My how times have changed :^)

Yesteryear: the Chinese workees who built the CNR for shit wages and lived in poor conditions came to NA to build a better life. Today: the Chinese workers who build your iPads for shit wages and live in poor conditions probably couldn't leave China if they tried.

Like I had said last night, the more I discuss these things the more I find that they come from a very specifically romanticized view of history

It's like the mirror to the SJW narrative of "everyone in the past was a bigot and if you were a racist back in the year 1784 then all of your accomplishments are nullified. It was all evil white people and poor oppressed slaves". History is messy as fuck

There were absolutely more racially bigoted views, but people lock into this weird binary about it and then have a meltdown when you mention nonwhite slave ownership

Or the fact that racial prejudice was not a European export, or solely directed from Europe outward

Yup

Absolutely. And the promotion and spreading of actual liberal values (as opposed to socialists calling themselves liberal) was a huge benefit for the West

Not only is that going to attract people escaping illiberal shitholes, but it's also the system least vulnerable to one moron shitting up everything

Well and often we're trying to judge the actions of people acting on a lack of knowledge

They were clearly thinking "We gotta make us a fascist ethnostate and unite the whites. I hope the libruls and Zionists don't halt our plans" :^)

But on a less shitposty note, I think we're headed for some real shit

I'm not Blonde tier blackpilled where I think it's all fucked from that point onwards. It's probably really necessary actually

Time before collapse should be used for prepwork. You can't keep plugging the holes in the dam with Band-Aids and chewing gum. You gotta start moving the town

Oh I'm not even concerned about the civil war thing. Marxists are too divisive for even a large portion of the left. I just mean that Western governments are built on bullshit and wishes, especially the ones that try to follow the European welfare model

I just want the antifa density to go down around here before the collapse so I don't get gulag'd

I dunno, I feel like you're, in a really roundabout way, being too optimistic about the solidarity of the Republican and Democratic parties. I'd bet anything that the vast majority of people vote apathetically along party lines, and even among the politically active there are splits within both camps

If you were going to get balkanization within the US I think it would look more like the States do now, rather than an even Union/Confederate type split

I'd argue that it was more splintered already, it just got downplayed

Just like how there's a large segment of Trump voters who just didn't want Hillary, but people like to ignore that on both sides

Inconvenient to too many narratives

Even now I bet a good chunk of Republicans still hate Trump but "support" him because they want to get policies through. There were probably a lot of Dems who just wanted the ACA or to shut down Gitmo, and were unhappy with the policy of expanding state surveillance and destabilizing nations

What's good for people and what will actually happen are two different things. This is also the problem commies run into