Message from @Beemann

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2018-04-22 15:04:47 UTC  

Like I had said last night, the more I discuss these things the more I find that they come from a very specifically romanticized view of history

2018-04-22 15:06:18 UTC  

It's like the mirror to the SJW narrative of "everyone in the past was a bigot and if you were a racist back in the year 1784 then all of your accomplishments are nullified. It was all evil white people and poor oppressed slaves". History is messy as fuck

2018-04-22 15:06:48 UTC  

Actually, there were a lot more bigots in the past, but there was also more unity around the idea of America.

2018-04-22 15:06:55 UTC  

People allowed bigots to be bigoted

2018-04-22 15:07:30 UTC  

There were absolutely more racially bigoted views, but people lock into this weird binary about it and then have a meltdown when you mention nonwhite slave ownership

2018-04-22 15:07:54 UTC  

Or the fact that racial prejudice was not a European export, or solely directed from Europe outward

2018-04-22 15:07:59 UTC  

that's because nonwhite slave ownership doesn't fit the narrative

2018-04-22 15:08:04 UTC  

Yup

2018-04-22 15:09:14 UTC  

I think civil rights was a good first step in giving the free market the ability to sort out racism for us.

2018-04-22 15:09:45 UTC  

I don't mean that making it illegal for businesses to discriminate, but I do mean integration of public utilities

2018-04-22 15:10:31 UTC  

obviously you're going to have "whites only" and "coloreds only" businesses when you have white and colored water fountains

2018-04-22 15:10:42 UTC  

Absolutely. And the promotion and spreading of actual liberal values (as opposed to socialists calling themselves liberal) was a huge benefit for the West

2018-04-22 15:12:05 UTC  

Not only is that going to attract people escaping illiberal shitholes, but it's also the system least vulnerable to one moron shitting up everything

2018-04-22 15:13:55 UTC  

Right. I mean, if a guy opened a dry cleaner today and hung a sign out that said "No Blacks", he wouldn't even be in business for two months

2018-04-22 15:14:46 UTC  

Even without municipality intervention he'd go out of business

2018-04-22 15:15:09 UTC  

Klan robes will only pay the bills for so long

2018-04-22 15:18:57 UTC  

There's also the problem of trying to interpret the intentions of people in the past. It's a problem of relating to a foreign ignorance. It's much the same problem teachers have and parents have in teaching kids. The human brain cannot easily pretend it doesn't know the things it knows.

2018-04-22 15:19:27 UTC  

Since we don't have the set of knowledge/experience of people who have come before us, understanding their intent for evil or good becomes harder and harder the further into the pat we go.

2018-04-22 15:19:47 UTC  

past*

2018-04-22 15:19:59 UTC  

This is true but letting the market decide if he should be open or not is something we don't see the outrage mob just pile on until they are forced to close

2018-04-22 15:20:26 UTC  

Well and often we're trying to judge the actions of people acting on a lack of knowledge

2018-04-22 15:20:50 UTC  

That's precisely it. We don't have the isolated set of information that people in the past were dealing with.

2018-04-22 15:21:05 UTC  

We can't really understand the limitations of their thinking, not really.

2018-04-22 15:21:53 UTC  

No we know exactly what they were thinking

2018-04-22 15:24:41 UTC  

They were clearly thinking "We gotta make us a fascist ethnostate and unite the whites. I hope the libruls and Zionists don't halt our plans" :^)

2018-04-22 15:25:07 UTC  

Exactly

2018-04-22 15:25:24 UTC  

But on a less shitposty note, I think we're headed for some real shit

2018-04-22 15:26:04 UTC  

I'm not Blonde tier blackpilled where I think it's all fucked from that point onwards. It's probably really necessary actually

2018-04-22 15:26:04 UTC  

I do to it's just a matter of time before the final straw gets pulled

2018-04-22 15:26:55 UTC  

Time before collapse should be used for prepwork. You can't keep plugging the holes in the dam with Band-Aids and chewing gum. You gotta start moving the town

2018-04-22 15:27:09 UTC  

I can direct message you the article on the second civil war I wrote 5 years ago. I was borderline blackpilled already back then

2018-04-22 15:27:23 UTC  

I'm interestrd

2018-04-22 15:28:20 UTC  

I started seeing a lot of this right after the second inauguration of Obama...I actually started seeing the writing on the walls back during the first Obama Campaign

2018-04-22 15:28:41 UTC  

Oh I'm not even concerned about the civil war thing. Marxists are too divisive for even a large portion of the left. I just mean that Western governments are built on bullshit and wishes, especially the ones that try to follow the European welfare model

2018-04-22 15:29:16 UTC  

I just want the antifa density to go down around here before the collapse so I don't get gulag'd

2018-04-22 15:31:46 UTC  

August 22. 2013. When one of my co-workers looked across the circle of people and said "There's gonna be another civil war, and it's gonna be between the blacks and the mexicans".

2018-04-22 15:31:54 UTC  

I went straight home after work and wrote that

2018-04-22 15:38:54 UTC  

I dunno, I feel like you're, in a really roundabout way, being too optimistic about the solidarity of the Republican and Democratic parties. I'd bet anything that the vast majority of people vote apathetically along party lines, and even among the politically active there are splits within both camps

2018-04-22 15:39:45 UTC  

If you were going to get balkanization within the US I think it would look more like the States do now, rather than an even Union/Confederate type split

2018-04-22 15:40:17 UTC  

That was also 5 years ago when both parties were really united. The democrats had found a strong unity behind the Messiah Barack Obama, and the Republicans were really united on the fact that he had to go. In 2015 both parties absolutely splintered