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2018-12-12 18:40:48 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

and they are already surpassing the US in economic terms

2018-12-12 18:41:17 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

although trump has made the US economy grow faster

2018-12-12 18:41:33 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

it's not clear that this is a trend or just an isolated event

2018-12-12 18:41:52 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

for now

2018-12-12 18:42:11 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

you have to look at it from a larger historical lens

2018-12-12 18:42:23 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

where was china 30 years ago compared to the US?

2018-12-12 18:42:29 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

and where are they now?

2018-12-12 18:42:51 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

all projections point to china surpassing the US

2018-12-12 18:44:37 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

source?

2018-12-12 18:45:10 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

the US grew almost 500% in 30 years?

2018-12-12 18:45:43 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452955220473806859/522484211295453204/d1-LsY1a-1PZwpktsMWmZo_AUB9oYXG4KMO9Hitd-BA.png

2018-12-12 18:45:49 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

GDP PPP

2018-12-12 18:47:24 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

you also need to realize that the rural areas will be slower to catch up obviously, and china is a really big country.

2018-12-12 18:47:39 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

Shenzhen today is NOTHING like it was 30 years ago

2018-12-12 18:48:01 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

shenzhen today is very similar to LA in terms of wealth

2018-12-12 18:48:07 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

30 years ago it was a poor village

2018-12-12 18:48:21 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

do you realize this trend?

2018-12-12 18:50:26 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

you used GNI to demonstrate the country isnt surpassing the US, when obviously the relevant indicators would have to be GDP PPP

2018-12-12 18:50:34 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

to the conversation

2018-12-12 18:51:38 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

but that only shows how rich individuals are getting, which is a bit misleading since coastal areas and rural areas are night and day. the point is production and economic activity

2018-12-12 18:52:41 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

you are nitpicking wealth of citizens specifically, i already told you we're talking about economic activity

2018-12-12 18:53:03 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

and how much the country *as a whole* is producing

2018-12-12 18:53:26 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

not individually, if you want to compare that you should probably do city by city

2018-12-12 18:54:17 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

@unit well does every tourist that goes to china share the same opinion of trump?

2018-12-12 18:54:38 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

but that's irrelevant to the conversation dude

2018-12-12 18:55:21 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

we were talking about how well the economy as a whole is doing, how much it's producing and how much revenew it's making. people in china still earn significantly less than the US on average OBVIOUSLY

2018-12-12 18:56:28 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

~~you are arguing that chinese economic system was made to help the citizens?~~

2018-12-12 18:56:48 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

~~just to make this clear~~

2018-12-12 18:56:54 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

~~this *is* what you are arguing~~

2018-12-12 18:56:56 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

?

2018-12-12 18:57:27 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

ah fuck im blind

2018-12-12 18:58:37 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

well yeah in this case, china is really close to surpassing the US

2018-12-12 18:58:43 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

through this optic

2018-12-12 18:59:01 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

yeah this was the measurement i meant

2018-12-12 18:59:07 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

sorry if i wasn't clear

2018-12-12 19:01:13 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

@unit so you mean like, if country A's government criticizes B's government, government B's should prohibit A's citizens from entering the country?

2018-12-12 19:01:17 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

just to clarify

2018-12-12 19:02:21 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

@sษชแด…ษชsษดแดแด›สœแด‡ส€แด‡ Obama just continued the foreign policy from previous administrations. foreign policy in the US tends to remain consistent regardless of dems or GOP in power. the opposite happens in domestic affaris

2018-12-12 19:02:43 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

the last time the US formally declared war on a country was during ww2

2018-12-12 19:03:13 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

because declaring war is prohibited by the UN charter. so countries just go around it and dont declare war

2018-12-12 19:03:27 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

i never said it was ethical or morally correct

2018-12-12 19:03:49 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

i'd agree that it is counter-productive as of this time and age

2018-12-12 19:05:02 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

first of all, the US didnt start a war in libya or syria, the US isnt at war with syria or lybia, but has carried out operations in both countries and supplied sides in conflicts in these countries @sษชแด…ษชsษดแดแด›สœแด‡ส€แด‡

2018-12-12 19:05:14 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

it sounds like semantics but in IR it matters a lot

2018-12-12 19:06:59 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

is it illegal to sponsor belligerants in wars abroad?

2018-12-12 19:07:07 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

(it's not)

2018-12-12 19:07:37 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

give me a specific example so we can actually get to the details and i can be more useful to the conversation

2018-12-12 19:08:47 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

we can do that

2018-12-12 19:08:56 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

one at the time perhaps?

2018-12-12 19:10:28 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

```In 2011 when President Obama ordered American warplanes into action over Libya, he never bothered to get congressional authorization to do so. Presidents are not forbidden to do such things, but under the provisions of the War Powers Resolution (WPR), they are required to notify Congress within 48 hours of the onset of US military involvement. They then have 60 days to get formal authorization from Congress and if they fail to do so must cease operations within 30 days.``` @sษชแด…ษชsษดแดแด›สœแด‡ส€แด‡

2018-12-12 19:10:42 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

he isnt forbidden of not asking congress

2018-12-12 19:10:47 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

thats the important part

2018-12-12 19:11:15 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

notifying is different from asking permission

2018-12-12 19:11:54 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

basically the WPR says that the president has to send a letter to congress 2 days after war starts saying: "oh btw we're at war now, cya later"

2018-12-12 19:13:49 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

```President Obama found an out in the law; namely that he can bypass the requirements of the WPR if the US is not engaged in active "hostilities". This was precisely the position taken by the White House โ€ฆ even though at the time US planes were dropping bombs in Libya, firing missiles from off-shore and, according to some reports, coordinating with British forward air controllers on the ground. Only by the most tortured definition do such actions not qualify as hostilities. Indeed Obama's own office of legal counsel determined that US actions represented "hostilities" and required congressional authorization to continue. They were overruled by the president.``` the article says that even though that there were hostilities, clearly, they found a way of itnerpretation of the definition of "hostilities" that allowed it to be bypassed - a loophole if you will

2018-12-12 19:14:52 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

the real question is: is there political will to actually go after the president for an alleged illegal action? at the time apparently not

2018-12-12 19:15:30 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

the point is that the obama administration found a loophole in the definition

2018-12-12 19:15:44 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

that allowed them to argue that it wasnt hostilities

2018-12-12 19:17:16 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

i'd side with you, but obama's legal team found a way to go around the thing lol

2018-12-12 19:17:30 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

anyway

2018-12-12 19:18:08 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

shoot

2018-12-12 19:18:21 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

whats this

2018-12-12 19:19:12 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

i think i know about this

2018-12-12 19:19:27 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

i think there is a similar law in the UK

2018-12-12 19:19:47 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

that basically allows for on going judicial processes to remain secret until they are through

2018-12-12 19:22:06 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

is there anything to debate

2018-12-12 19:22:15 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

i imagine i'd agree with you on most stuff

2018-12-12 19:23:42 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

i think i'm a centrist in economy lol

2018-12-12 19:23:51 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

though i'm more inclined towards free market

2018-12-12 19:24:20 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

there should be some regulations to protect workers

2018-12-12 19:25:09 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

and then i think the state should have protectionist measures for essential industries in the country, like infrastructure

2018-12-12 19:27:56 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

I mean, I'm no economist, but I think minimum salary is important, unions and other things that help the workers bargaining for good job conditions are the main things

2018-12-12 19:28:36 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

because people are too stupid to know how to bargain for a good salary

2018-12-12 19:29:25 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

and a good healthy nation cant have people take advantage of others in worse conditions for materialistic needs

2018-12-12 19:29:51 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

i know what you're going to say

2018-12-12 19:30:22 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

the ancap argument that minimum salary often creates unemployment

2018-12-12 19:30:49 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

the point of minimum salary is to garantee that those who are working are at least earning something that can get them through the month

2018-12-12 19:31:05 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

and these people would be the bottom of the barrel obviously

2018-12-12 19:33:56 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

hang on

2018-12-12 19:34:24 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

you think minimum wage is the gov just giving out a shit ton of money with no regard for averages on income and other statistics?

2018-12-12 19:35:19 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

the minimum salary would have to be adjusted to a number that would least effect normal real wages and at the same time provide a acceptable income for low paying jobs

2018-12-12 19:35:32 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

you gotta balance it out

2018-12-12 19:36:16 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

well you'd manage inflation, all countries have inflation. and it's not always bad to have some or create more

2018-12-12 19:37:22 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

sorry if i sound like a cop out but i *really* dont want to jump into this rabbit hole

2018-12-12 19:37:41 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

there are obviously problems with regulations

2018-12-12 19:37:49 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

they create problems too

2018-12-12 19:37:57 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

but it's about picking the lesser of two evils

2018-12-12 19:38:32 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

in my country if our minimum wage was removed people would be earning very little

2018-12-12 19:38:39 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

because people dont know how to bargain

2018-12-12 19:38:45 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

and dont know their worth on the market

2018-12-12 19:39:37 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

if they were needed lol

2018-12-12 19:39:52 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

you can replace the woman that is cleaning corridors at your office in no time

2018-12-12 19:40:22 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

we're not talking about IT guys that are very valueable on the market

2018-12-12 19:40:28 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

and can very easily know their worth

2018-12-12 19:41:20 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

i can see you are a very liberal guy so i guess i should also point out my liberal ideas on the market

2018-12-12 19:41:28 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

low taxation is good

2018-12-12 19:41:51 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

creating an enviroment where capital can be invested to create jobs is ideal

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