more objectivist leaning .... market liberal, classical liberal, etc

child labor was already on the decline before child labor laws came in due to rapid economic growth and modernization

but if a 12 y/o wants work experience or to apprentice, who are you to say no to that?

Academic Agent did a good video on child labor too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg_UuhHDcGI

work experience can potentially be much more valuable than a typical run of the mill education.... especially after 12 years of public indoctrination schooling .... they come out with no real world skills.... we should be encouraging children to explore skillsets and different technical disciplines that they enjoy

i agree w/ most of that, such as the standard of living is what i mean to say earlier .... it just was no longer needed after we had already walked thru the fire and brimstone of the industrial revolution so to speak

for example.... farming families today are even prohibited from allowing their children to work on their farm... even if they want to! that is just absurd IMO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUQpfalF-iM

what is wrong with that if someone chooses with their own volition to work say as a child-prodigy programmer at a startup?

some kids are super gifted/talented and shouldnt be held back from the workplace if thats what they want

im just saying... you say that its a bad thing per say, but there are always situations where its pretty common sense and normal for them to be in the workplace.... however labor laws prohibit that from happening. how is that freedom?

like Gary Vaynerchuck.... are you all familiar with his story?

some ppl are just born to be work horses and thats what they enjoy doing and want to do... hustling and making them $$$

who is anyone to say no to that

yeah, Arch, i agree there are a lot of uncomfortable aspects to it.... especially in developing countries and emerging economies that are still needing to walk thru the fire and brimstone

but it's a harsh reality and sometimes a necessity for survival

well im sure we can all agree that no one, especially not children, should be forced into labor

but sometime sthe constraints of the law and regulations fly in the face of human nature and actually work against it sometimes, as just bcus something is legal or illegal does not make it moral or immoral

Yaron Brook talks about this sweat shop and child labor stuff really eloquently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRmeLXLYfCE

this is a really good channel btw, highly recommend to subbing to it https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZViJTyN0OXTTuPQ2mimNWw/videos

you gotta think about how much *worse* the children/families would be off if they werent working though

thats the point that Yaron Brook is making.... what theyre doing is an improvement over what they had beforehand ... they simply must walk thru the fire and brimstone before conditions improve in standards of living

this is a powerful video though... the one with Yaron Brook ... you have to consider what is the alternative of preventing people from working in those sorts of work conditions though... the alternative is even worse, otherwise they wouldnt be working there in the first place.... the point is that its a step up from where there were beforehand

so youre basically condemning them to even worse poverty, as Yaron Brook points out, by prohibiting them from working

well im not sure how to respond to that .... i agree more or less except for the fact that there really is no singular "society" but is rather more of a nebular thing with pockets of societies and communities here and there all working together either directly or indirectly.... society... now THERE is a social construct! lol 😉

yeah its like the whole trees vs the forest thing..... the forest is just a concept... it doesnt really exist except in our imagination and idea of it because its just comprised of all the individual trees after all

but yeah, i hear what youre saying otherwise

ya small businesses and family owned businesses make up the majority of employment to begin with .... health of this nation depends on mainstreet survival essentially

not the <25 employee ones, but i mean the relatively small-medium and family owned businesses

yeah its super hard for small businesses to survive in the current climate, especially in cali and the cities with rapid minimum wage hikes... the barrier to entry is getting higher and higher due to smothering regulations, but the big companies /incumbants prefer heavy regulations bcuz they can afford it and it raises the barrier to entry thus stifles potential competition

there will always be ebb and flow among the big and small businesses though due to the Pareto Principle which observes that the square root of an organization's workforce produce about half of the output value

so if you were to graph it out.... a company would have to grow exponentially just in order to sustain a linear trend in value output

which is not sustainable

so basically makes it a lot easier for smaller businesses to nip at the heels of the giants because they have an edge over them in efficiency

but if it didnt make sense for them to do it, they wouldnt do it, but they lobby like made for government privileges, rent seeking, and regulations, thats just the reality of it

taking heavy losses is not sustainable though..... as long as there is a free and open, level playing field and no legal monopolies, there will always be market competition driving ebb and flow

also.... "government is just a middle man for something bussiness can already do." not really bcuz businesses dont have the power to levy taxes, that is key

only the gov can tax, businesses have to sweet talk you for money

globalism is just a word that describes a plan for an unelected, corporate world government, to my understanding

not to be confused with globalization (like the internet phenomenon, other natural market phenomena, etc)

ah, i see what you mean about the super international corporations not necessarily caring as much about national regulations, yeah i agree

cus if it gets too regulated, they can just up and move out

which is still a capital/value loss for that nation, not to mention brain-drain

why we still need low regulations to entice them to come and set up shop 😉 and thus their wealth also spreads among the national communities in which they operate too.... its a win-win situation

not if there isnt cronyism going on between them and the gov tho.... bcuz the one tool that th gov has (and that is claims to use legitimately) is the barrel of a gun, governments can tax its people

so yeah, thatd definitely be a threat once fascism starts to grow in the form of state/corporate powers merging

that is fascism after all, the merging of state/corporate power ... its quasi-private/public

one leg in both worlds .... quite the formidable leviathon could grow out of that

well that is w hat theyre are trying to set up , an unelected world-government based on corporate fascism

sure, i agree with that that ... its all over in symbolism in the House of Reps, and presidents statues, etc

Lincoln resting is arms on the fascio bundle of rods..... Washington statue with bundle of rods under his cloak

straight up fascio bundle of rods complete with axe plastered on the House of Representives wall .... all in plain sight

yeah, basically its technocracy

ya, feudalism and the roman empire, etc... sure has been the "default" way of governing for more of human history for sure

ya, i see your point.... i mean .... i could be a really good benevolent dictator for life 😌

Hoppe talks about how monarchies were better off than democracies because they had more of an incentive to keep a stable economy and not plunder it ASAP like temporary politicans do

was talking with missdanger about this too

ya much too volatile of a climate.... much to easy to screw up a delicate economic ecosystem

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhKKzmsUEAAts3I.jpg:large

right and even in a democracy.. people can vote away the democracy!

so kind of self-defeating potentially

ppl can just vote in a brutal socialist dictatorship

or national socialist dictatorship as was the case of hitler

ya hierarchy is natural.... even when you think about it from a self-owner ship perspective

theres just no way to have a non-hierarchical society IMO ..... bcus say in the communist vision... theres always goign to be a certain CLASS of people who are going to go around enforcing THEIR systems onto others

ya thats all well and okay by me.... theres plenty of ways to voluntarily level the playing field and help close the gap in disparities

ya, there will always be external statist forces trying to infiltrate and subvert this system, for sure

theres a really good 3-part documentary interview that i bet youd like a lot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNkDiBOO4H0&list=PLmmQ8peduhsorsovh6EjmEQEIPNkUVdUs

yeah i just dont think it will be all snowballish effect in a true free market economy, bcus ultra rich ppl are human beings too and are irrational too, they will make dumb choices just like everyone else and squander their resources too, there will always be ebb and flow

there is a limit..... because you can only generate wealth from creating it in the first place

ppl get rich off a fraction of the wealth/value that they helped to produce

ya, but to get back to the whole globalism vs fascism thing... i think this technocracy ideology really encapsulates the agenda more accurately

and the pentacles of power and wealth will also be much more numerous rather than concentrated in a more free market environment.. i think the real danger comes out of exploiting state power because it has the elephant in the room.... its has the gun, only the government can initiate use of force arbitrarily on people..... so when you have that plus excessive wealth... that is a recipe for dystopia

all good, yeah of course, its super long after all

ya ppl love their google, facebook, apple, samsung, etc

the whole water/USPS thing was in the <#463054787336732683> thread, btw lol

@Timcast i just subbed to your second channel, want to add it to my public RSS feed https://www.inoreader.com/stream/user/1005688789/tag/LiberTV/view/html?cs=m&n=50 but already have ~ 200 channels on it, so any more than 2-3 vids a day would crowd my feed too much

Luke Rudkowski..... WeAreChange... sub to him too!

Luke and Tim are both very balanced and fair in their reporting/analysis

well every body is biased to an extent bcuz you have to prioritize what you report on based on your values or what you think is more important to cover

just watched @Timcast video on 2nd channel, Is "Healthcare is a Human Right?". Tim is right because you dont have a "right" *to somebody else's labor!*

human rights are best thought of as in the "negative" that is somebody else doesn't have the right to try and prohibit you from seeking healthcare (think "shall not be infringed"). on the other hand, "positive" rights are more coercive that require somebody else's labor to provide something to you and require the act of compelling by force of human action on some level or another

our entire US bill of rights are based on NEGATIVE rights ... that is the govt SHALL NOT do this and and that to you.... get it? they are meant to protect your natural rights from being infringed upon by others

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IvLuA0z-AA

"Cop Pulls Gun on Children, Threatens Them With Baton"

right, just like the right to self-defense can be considered a "human right" too .... ppl dont really tend to think of "the right to" healthcare, education, housing, etc that way though, as they think they are entitled to have those services provided to them, but just remember that bottom line... *nobody has an inherent right to somebody else's labor*

unfortunately, that is also the route we are going in California for example with mandatory [forced] vaccinations, etc bcuz that is really just a healthcare procedure. "you have a right to decide your healthcare" .... agreed. and the more choices, the better!

naw, i totally disagree with that. mandatory vaccines are a wreckless policy. im not going to get into a debate about this, but there is NO "consensus" about the safety of vaccines are they currently exist.

https://healthfreedomidaho.org/vaccine-court-has-paid-37-billion-in-damages-to-families

ppl get sick just from taking the vaccines themselves, and they even SPREAD the newly inoculated strain to others

so that risk should not be forced onto others... that is just wreckless! you have a RIGHT to say no!

i dont get flue shots any more... i was friends w/ a girl who took them ALL THE TIME ... and guess what she was SICK virtually all the time .... she got so regularly sick that should would have to go to the ER from seasonal flues

my sister almost DIED when she was a toddler bcuz of the 110+ degree fever that eruputed after she was vaccinated

plus it does not make any logical sense ..... if you really believe in the efficacy of vaccines.... they why worry about unvaccinated ppl!

the whole thing is a scam to enrich big pharma and not to mention experiment on the population

the whole "herd immunity" is just herd mentality if you ask me 😲

i cannot even remember the last time i got the flu..... also cannot remember the last time i got a flu shot 😉